You don't understand the difference between:
"full level 5 driving everywhere"
and
"level 2 driving everywhere"
?
If not, you're probably going to have a lot of trouble following a lot of threads here and should probably read up some on the SAE levels of autonomy then get back to us.
But the main difference is level 2 requires a fully attentive driver, at all times, remaining the only entity responsible for the safe driving of the car. The automated systems can aid that driver, but never replace him, and never fully execute the dynamic driving task.
Here you go not reading and not comprehending again.
I never said I didn't understand the difference between full level 2 and full level 5, you can no where quote me where I said said
level 2 is same as level 5,smh. Stop making up your own wrong arguments
The nags exist to check that the driver is still there, and engaged enough to at least be interacting with the steering wheel.
This is common sense,nobody has debated what the nag is or exists for, smh. Once again, you debating something NOBODY is.
A level 5 system (which, again, doesn't exist yet) would NOT require this.
The no-nag FSD does not exist
Why do you keep repeating this? We already know when it does it won't nag. Why do you keep acting like you trying to make a point by saying it doesn't exist? that has nothing to do with the actual debate here
It's a much more advanced system than the car has today and much more capable.
Do you not understand why "a vastly more capable system" would be safer to use without driver attention?
Right here proves your poor reading skills and comprehension. I will get back to this below, you keep selective reading my stance on this issue.
I did give you an example of course, the 2 year old and the adult.
Did you not understand that one either?
I was only asking for Tesla driving examples, not silly 2 year old examples. A Tesla example (scenario) would of course more directly relate to the issue at hand. You did come up with one below, but of course your poor reading made you reply in the wrong manner, as usual. See below.
Because FSD can handle a lot more unexpected things happening while you're doing that and not paying attention.
TODAY if you don't pay attention and there's a fire truck parked on the side of the road, partly in your lane, AP will slam into the back of it at full speed
FSD would not.
Lots of other cases like that- where FSD is inherently able to handle things without driver help... but AP is not... thus, again, disabling the system that is checking if the driver is paying attention and ready to help is dangerous.
Okay, so heres where your reading/comprehension is bad. You keep changing the issue to make it seem like you're right. I've clearly said from the get go that if one uses the hack
AND PAYS ATTENTION then there will be no problem. Please note the words that are CAPITALIZED. Do you know what paying attention means? It means that even though one has weight strapped onto the steering wheel, while still paying attention,
why in the world would they not see a big ole red firetruck on the side of the road and make adjustments?
I agree that if you don't pay attention, bad things can happen. I've never disagreed on this, never. So we agree that not paying attention is bad (and will cause accident in any car for that matter) YET you
keep throwing up examples where the driver is not paying attention. HELLO, we are not debating that not paying attention while driving is bad. I think everyone on this board would agree not paying attention is bad, so why are you trying so hard to support and defend that not paying attention is bad.....
WHEN NO ONE IS DEBATING YOU ON THAT ISSUE?????
So See again your reading is bad. I've always say use the hack and pay attention. If you pay attention it does NOT matter how super advanced this super level 5 computer is .....why? Because if you're paying attention you're not relying on level 2 nor level 5. Do you understand and comprehend that?
All you need to do is hit the volume up or down on the wheel to avoid the nag right now. Putting weight on it just stops you from reaching the wheel every min or so. Not much difference. None of it matters though if you are paying attention.
Now if I had said I used the weight and like to take a nap,
THEN AND ONLY THEN, do
any of your comments make sense. Because a better more advance computer (although as you mention doesn't even exist, smh) would be the better thing to use when you purposely want to drive without having to attend to the driving. But anybody that can read plain english, would know that was never my original stance on this issue!!!!!
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There's already been accidents on AP, with a driver not paying attention, that FSD would not have gotten into (because the system can't fully exist until it's able to handle those)
another example you've mentioned that doesn't pertain to my whole stance on the issue because I've always said to use the hack and pay attention,smh.
For some reason, you keep ignoring that I say pay attention, but all your examples are drivers
NOT paying attention. Do you understand the nonsensical route you're taking to defend your case? You not even arguing the actual point stated by the other side
Driver was on AP. Their hands were not on the wheel and not paying attention. (the thing the nag is trying to make happen)
The car slammed into the back of a parked fire truck.
Because AP is not capable of replacing a human driver. FSD will be.
Yet another silly example of a NON paying attention accident, when whole time I've stated to use hack and pay attention
You were the one who asserted,
I provided the statistics for your comparator. I think it is up to you to provide the statistics for all of the users who defeat the safety reminder.
no, you and your crew claim its as dangerous as texting and drunk driving, so the burden is on YALL to prove it true. So far yall listed one case of AP crash vs what.... 2.3 million car crashes due to texting/driving???? I don't know the exact number but you should get the point.
Please give me an example how a no nag FSD will prevent an accident driving on the highway,no lane switching, vs driving with AP set on 50mph and no nag hack on?????????
Sure. People drive at night when they are tired. They use AutoPilot appropriately as an aid to driving. When their attention fails from tiredness, the safety reminder alerts them. If they were defeating the safety reminder system, they would be at greater risk of the kind of “asleep at the wheel” crashes of drivers without a level two autonomous vehicle.
Remember, the TM3 is only level two autonomous.
FSD is not dangerous because it doesn’t exist.
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Again,
if you pay attention, you do not have to rely on FSD. I've always said pay attention when using the hack. I
never advocated taking a nap. I
never advocated going to sleep,but yet you and others
keep using sleeping examples to support your case, smh. I guess you were taught that falling asleep at the wheel is considered paying attention? Of course not, that's why examples like these are useless because it doesn't support the actual debate of
"using this hack and paying attention". Please google what paying attention means because that's what I've been saying the whole thread,but nobody seems to acknowledge it