Thank you for that... I didn't want to sound pedantic/picky. But from now on, "bafooon" is definitely the in insult.
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Articles re Tesla—Fact or Fiction?
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SW2Fiddler
We Are Cognitive Dissidents
LAPD Chooses BMW Over Tesla For Electric Squad Cars
It never fails to amaze me, how they can twist the truth and still call it "factual article". It was clearly stated by LAPD that the i3 will only be used for "municipal purpose", and Tesla was being considered for "high speed pursuit vehicles", meaning they were never competing on the same bid. Yet, the article headlines with above, and proceeds to say BMW won the bid over Tesla. Another article quotes LAPD statement that Tesla is still being considered for the purpose of high speed pursuit vehicles.
I guess whenever I'm in LA, I better watch out for the parking meter officers, since they'll be creeping up on me in silence in an i3 now, lol.
It never fails to amaze me, how they can twist the truth and still call it "factual article". It was clearly stated by LAPD that the i3 will only be used for "municipal purpose", and Tesla was being considered for "high speed pursuit vehicles", meaning they were never competing on the same bid. Yet, the article headlines with above, and proceeds to say BMW won the bid over Tesla. Another article quotes LAPD statement that Tesla is still being considered for the purpose of high speed pursuit vehicles.
I guess whenever I'm in LA, I better watch out for the parking meter officers, since they'll be creeping up on me in silence in an i3 now, lol.
Is One Out Of Every 10 Cars Coming Down The Tesla Line A Reject?
I can't believe they can smother so much FUD in an otherwise positive update from Tesla. While 1 in 10 is statistically equivalent to 90%, the way this article is fundamentally skewed to be negative just riles me.
I can't believe they can smother so much FUD in an otherwise positive update from Tesla. While 1 in 10 is statistically equivalent to 90%, the way this article is fundamentally skewed to be negative just riles me.
Gerardf
Active Member
..... By Bertel Schmitt
Well, that is the guy running the daily kanban, the site that was instrumental in spreading the suspensiongate fraud.
The more you check him out, the more you get convinced he has an agenda against Tesla.
Relevant : Edward Niedermeyer and Bertel Schmitt are available to work for hire, but not for $25 a post.
Source : Who Are We? - DailyKanban
IIRC, this is the same guy who still owes some TMC members a hat-eating after a lot bet.
Edit : yup, same guy.. Journalist Who Announced He’d Eat A Hat If Tesla Autopilot Worked Decides… Mmm, Nah. Was actually Bonnie who called him out on (t)hat.
BTW, judging on his picture on his own website, it looks like he just DID eat that hat..
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“We’d stop production immediately, gather management, grasp the situation, find information, and make a decision whether to restart or not. We most likely would not — 10% is an incredibly high number.”
That article seems to imply Tesla hasn't done this. AFAIK, this is exactly the reason for the Model X delays. They have done precisicely as they should have, and stopped the line when problems were discovered. It was then restarted when they were fixed. Stopped when new problems discovered, restarted when fixed, etc.
For a little historical perspective: When GM was running the Fremont facility, before it became NUMMI, it was the worst auto plant in the nation for reject rates after assembly. Only 66-67% of cars were problem free / required no rework.
That article seems to imply Tesla hasn't done this. AFAIK, this is exactly the reason for the Model X delays. They have done precisicely as they should have, and stopped the line when problems were discovered. It was then restarted when they were fixed. Stopped when new problems discovered, restarted when fixed, etc.
For a little historical perspective: When GM was running the Fremont facility, before it became NUMMI, it was the worst auto plant in the nation for reject rates after assembly. Only 66-67% of cars were problem free / required no rework.
..... By Bertel Schmitt
Well, that is the guy running the daily kanban, the site that was instrumental in spreading the suspensiongate fraud.
The more you check him out, the more you get convinced he has an agenda against Tesla.
Relevant : Edward Niedermeyer and Bertel Schmitt are available to work for hire, but not for $25 a post.
Source : Who Are We? - DailyKanban
IIRC, this is the same guy who still owes some TMC members a hat-eating after a lot bet.
Edit : yup, same guy.. Journalist Who Announced He’d Eat A Hat If Tesla Autopilot Worked Decides… Mmm, Nah. Was actually Bonnie who called him out on that.
BTW, judging on his picture on his own website, it looks like he just DID eat that hat..
" Bertel [Schmitt] returns as a journalist and to the roots of his initials" - now that makes sense!
Gerardf
Active Member
Another hit piece, at hybrid cars.
Contrary To Musk's Suggestion, NHTSA Did Not Call Tesla Suspension Complaints ‘Fraudulent’ - HybridCars.com
I can not believe that websites gives this guy Leech such a podium. Each Of the pictures clearly show a car that was hit by another car.
It looks like the Koch brothers have started spending there discrediting funds..
Contrary To Musk's Suggestion, NHTSA Did Not Call Tesla Suspension Complaints ‘Fraudulent’ - HybridCars.com
I can not believe that websites gives this guy Leech such a podium. Each Of the pictures clearly show a car that was hit by another car.
It looks like the Koch brothers have started spending there discrediting funds..
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SW2Fiddler
We Are Cognitive Dissidents
...trying to do what was done to Tucker. (Are they the same actual guys too?)
"discreditionary funds." I like that.
Tucker didn't have Twitter. It'll turn out different this time.
That may indeed be the case. A concerted attack should have been expected by now. They may have begun a coordinated program of paying off website/media operators, editors, writers, bloggers or forum posters to publish Tesla FUD. It was timed just as good news and favorable commentary had been pushing up the stock. It's not unlike their funding of advertising blitzes to discredit people running for elective office who are not in sync with their agenda. We may soon learn what Elon or institutional owners of Tesla might have in mind for counterpunches.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
hybridcars.com, and specifically Jeff Cobb, have had an on going barely concealed anti-Tesla bias for a while. I was banned from commenting on their site after pointing out a number of errors in one of their articles. Pretending that Keef has an ounce of credibility exposes hybridcars for what they are.
Wall Street Journal has the typical subsidy hit piece on Tesla in response to Jay Leno telling people to get off Tesla's back:
Hey, Jay Leno, What About Tesla’s Dependence on the Taxpayer?
Jay Leno:
Cramer: Jay Leno's shocking wake-up call on Tesla
Hey, Jay Leno, What About Tesla’s Dependence on the Taxpayer?
Jay Leno:
Cramer: Jay Leno's shocking wake-up call on Tesla
some taxpayers qualify for some or all of the $7.5K EV tax credit, and undoubtably this increases to some extent the total number of Tesla's sold.
most taxpayers qualify for the mortgage interest deduction, and undoubtably, this increases the number of homes built, sold by realtors, and financed by banks.
where are all the WSJ (LA Times, etc.) articles from the last several decades blasting the homebuilders, realtors, and banks being aided by the mortgage interest deduction? I would not be shocked if the WSJ at some point voiced decent on the mortgage interest deduction, but has there been even one article in all these decades deriding homebuilders, realtors and banks over this?
Tesla's customers aren't even the largest recipients of the $7500 tax credit. Tesla is tied for #3 with Ford, GM is #1 and Nissan is #2.
Tesla is the only auto manufacturer to pay back their government loan.
The entire basis of the Tesla is subsidized meme is false. Most of the people spouting this nonsense don't even understand what the tax credit is and how it works. They just read the controversial headline, it fits right in with their pre-conceived notions, and so they buy into the propaganda like it's gospel.
Nowadays I just try to redirect these puppets by pointing out they should be fighting against the worst offenders. I try to send them to "Uncle Sam's Favorite Corporations" so they can go complain at Boeing $78 billion, GM over $50 billion, and their favorite (they didn't take government money) Ford at $30 billion. An open minded person will actually understand and I don't see them comment again. That is about 1 in 25 Tesla naysayers.
dauger
Member
Jay Leno's and Jim Cramer's words are spot on. Jenkins' has stooped to new lows.
I find it really interesting that Jenkins' article reads like a compilation of the negative comments on Cramer's video. It's almost like the pessimists are reading from the same source material. In any case I did my part to set the record straight on both.
I read the piece by searching the full title on Google and got in a few volleys against some of the most blatant offenders - including Jenkins himself - before the paywall popped up again.
They're all parroting the same lines from Fox News, WSJ etc.
It's Holman Jenkins. He hadn't written a Tesla bashing column in more than a month so he was really overdue. It's his go to topic when he can't think of anything original for his column.
Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
Of course there is a "fallacy", but don't for a moment think this fallacy is in turn the result of some kind of cognitive error by the opposite side (which would have to be forgiven). No, it's a brute and calculated attempt at shutting down your competitor instead of stepping up your own innovating. Pathetic.
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