Considering that Ford maybe spending more on Mach-E advertising than on Mach-E engineering, and that Ford is a known "major advertiser" of automotive publishers, would that be a surprise if Ford (or other OEM or short sellers) hires a troll farm to promote their products including the Mach-E? I see so many plain lies and click-bait statements regarding EVs and Tesla in the past couple years that I can't escape the conclusion of a planed and well-paid campaign. One troll on another platform has actually accidentally admitted his/her connections to a stock trading firm.
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Car & Driver: The Mach E is simply better than the Model Y
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This is 100% true. Even VW has been paying google ads to boost the ID4 up when you google "TESLA" or "Model Y".
Their SEO for the ID.4 has been near the top or at the top of those search terms for the past few months. That isn't cheap.
Iain
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El joe
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Seriously. Every time I watch a YouTube video on Tesla or any other EV, I gotta skip through the ad with the little girl saying, “ID, I’m cold!”
Seriously? What’s the name of the dealership. Brother in law is looking for one on a lot instead of waiting for the reservation
El joe
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Most of the dealerships in my area have five to seven available, all marked up between $5-7k above MSRP.
In a Tesla you go "my ass is cold" and your seat heater gets going. Obviously you can't make an ad out of that.
At any given time I've seen 4-5 in Auburn, CA. Multiple of the same ones in Future Ford in Sac. Then again Future Ford is a group of crooks.
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The accepted definition of internet trolling:
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a person who intentionally antagonizes others online by posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content Internet trolls In the late 1980s, Internet users adopted the word "troll" to denote someone who intentionally disrupts online communities.
(Definition of TROLL definition 2)
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What you do: Post only on one topic, in a community designed for a competing product, on only one topic (a competing vehicle), with every post designed to "discuss" real or imagined deficiencies with a specific vehicle, and "debate" others who disagree with your choice.
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Some of your points are valid, but they get lost in the constant shilling you do, with statements like "this vehicle looks better than that one, thats an objective fact" (which is a patently ridiculous statement, as vehicle looks can not be an objective fact). If you are not trolling on purpose, because you dont realize thats what you are doing, that doesnt make it any less online trolling behavior.
The fact that you only post on this one topic, in this one section, with pretty much every post designed to "get discussion going" or "debate" a specific deficiency of the Model Y, or Promote something you see as a specific talking point for the Ford MME dont come across like discussion, they come across like someone who was hired by Ford to sow discontent.
I am saying this dispassionately, because I really dont care, I dont read this subforum a lot, but do check around in sections other than the ones I moderate from time to time. As I mentioned, at least from my perspective, you dont have "moderator actionable" posts, just posts designed to antagonize, in the guise of discussion. Thats pretty much the definition of really good trolling.
If your intent is really to engage in actual discussion, and not troll, you might want to take a less adversarial tact than you normally do in your posts. They get a rise out of some, because there are trollish statements mixed in with other, real feedback. Every community has people who enjoy trolling among their members. You come across specifically as one of those people, who is actually very good at it. If thats not your intention, then you might want to change how you post.
Otherwise, for anyone else reading this, from a moderation perspective, this posters content is just discussion, and does not rise to the level of moderator actionable content. If you choose to engage in conversation, understand that you are engaging with someone who at a very minimum, only participates in TMC on this specific topic, with a very specific viewpoint, and interact or dont accordingly.
The accepted definition of internet trolling:
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a person who intentionally antagonizes others online by posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content Internet trolls In the late 1980s, Internet users adopted the word "troll" to denote someone who intentionally disrupts online communities.
(Definition of TROLL definition 2)
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What you do: Post only on one topic, in a community designed for a competing product, on only one topic (a competing vehicle), with every post designed to "discuss" real or imagined deficiencies with a specific vehicle, and "debate" others who disagree with your choice.
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Some of your points are valid, but they get lost in the constant shilling you do, with statements like "this vehicle looks better than that one, thats an objective fact" (which is a patently ridiculous statement, as vehicle looks can not be an objective fact). If you are not trolling on purpose, because you dont realize thats what you are doing, that doesnt make it any less online trolling behavior.
The fact that you only post on this one topic, in this one section, with pretty much every post designed to "get discussion going" or "debate" a specific deficiency of the Model Y, or Promote something you see as a specific talking point for the Ford MME dont come across like discussion, they come across like someone who was hired by Ford to sow discontent.
I am saying this dispassionately, because I really dont care, I dont read this subforum a lot, but do check around in sections other than the ones I moderate from time to time. As I mentioned, at least from my perspective, you dont have "moderator actionable" posts, just posts designed to antagonize, in the guise of discussion. Thats pretty much the definition of really good trolling.
If your intent is really to engage in actual discussion, and not troll, you might want to take a less adversarial tact than you normally do in your posts. They get a rise out of some, because there are trollish statements mixed in with other, real feedback. Every community has people who enjoy trolling among their members. You come across specifically as one of those people, who is actually very good at it. If thats not your intention, then you might want to change how you post.
Otherwise, for anyone else reading this, from a moderation perspective, this posters content is just discussion, and does not rise to the level of moderator actionable content. If you choose to engage in conversation, understand that you are engaging with someone who at a very minimum, only participates in TMC on this specific topic, with a very specific viewpoint, and interact or dont accordingly.
I agree with your assessment of FordMME and believe the same is true of posters like alexgr and mark95476. There are members who have good discussions of "other" EVs - and those (like listed above) who just post to defend their purchase/decision or to start arguments.
El joe
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We must be neighbors cause that’s where I’ve seen them, too. Also agree with your assessment of Future Ford — bad experiences with them as well.
I'm up in Alta Sierra. But spend alot of time driving to the bay.
Also for all the love folks give the MME and dealership experience, my experience with the team at Rocklin before, during and after getting my Y recently was superb.
Yeah - when we were last looking at cars - we stopped by the Roseville Automall and went to Future Ford. after 20 minutes on the lot - I felt like I needed a shower to get the slime off. The dealership model has degraded to one of the least pleasant experiences in all of product shopping.
Tesla has been great in this regard. GM tried something similar with Saturn a millennia ago.
Brando
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Sandy Munro doing a tear down of Mach E. see the details - for those that care.
For those that shop by ads - see Ford Ads. for Tesla, sorry no ads.
For those that shop by Madison Ave Magazine articles, well C&D is a fine example.
I'd suggest an actual test drive - and talk to an owner of a Tesla. years of actual experience helpful, no?
And who'd buy American when you can get a car from Mexico?
side note: Consumer Reports will show you how to drive a Tesla without being in the driver's seat & no seat belt needed.
Everyone should learn.
example from Sandy review of Mach E
For those that shop by ads - see Ford Ads. for Tesla, sorry no ads.
For those that shop by Madison Ave Magazine articles, well C&D is a fine example.
I'd suggest an actual test drive - and talk to an owner of a Tesla. years of actual experience helpful, no?
And who'd buy American when you can get a car from Mexico?
side note: Consumer Reports will show you how to drive a Tesla without being in the driver's seat & no seat belt needed.
Everyone should learn.
example from Sandy review of Mach E
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US sales for the Mach-E:
December 2020 3
January 2021 238
February 2021 3,739
March 2021 2,637
April 2021 1,951
May 2021 1,945
I’m scheduled to drive a MME. As a former automotive employee for a number or OEMs, I like looking at things in totality before deciding something is ‘better’ across any traditional of conceptual metrics. Can you point out any negatives to the MME during your time with it so far?
Attempting to remove ‘fandom’ aside, the C/D article is interesting as it lacks a direct line by line comparison of strength/weaknesses of these products. No points or ratings system. These products are seemingly close, and remember Ford actually had Model 3s to benchmark, scaling up to and CUV based on it wasn’t a lot of guesswork over in Dearborn (really talented folks, I do miss some aspects of previously working there) dating back over 3 years.
What are your opinions over two other publications that picked the Model Y after comparing them line by line?
Of an interesting note is Top Gear found none of the handling issues with the MYP that C/D encountered, despite having similar concerns regarding the Tesla.
Here’s another:
2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E vs. Tesla Model Y
Tesla has long ruled the electric-vehicle roost, but Ford’s Mustang Mach-E EV SUV leads a wave of new challengers. Can the Ford take over the Tesla Model Y?
Of interest is their experience with the Ford 360 system:
On the Mach-E, Ford's Co-Pilot 360 safety suite did generally a good job, and we noted it was able to interpret lanes correctly even when the markings weren't totally clear. Later this year Ford will offer Active Drive Assist, a $600 over the air upgrade that should offer similar functionality to the Tesla, such as hands free driving (limited to 100,000 miles of mapped divided highways).
But FSD is the standout winner here. "Active Drive Assist feels relatively low tech in the Mach-E, which is otherwise a technically compelling EV tour de force," Loh said. During our drive, the Mustang once failed to apply the brakes when traffic was stopping ahead, and it lacks the advanced features of Tesla's system, such as automatically switching lanes or handling freeway interchanges.
I’ve found another test that gave the victory to Ford. So opinion (for now) seems pretty split to even, with demographics of media being a deciding factor more than anything. I hope your enjoying your EV, but I’m not sure things are clear cut with these two particular products.
El joe
Active Member
Interesting to see sales numbers start to drop as we come out of the pandemic. May be a chip shortage issue, but it seems like it hasn’t impacted Tesla.
My thoughts exactly. They're starting to sit a little.
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