Chevy Bolt - 200 mile range for $30k base price (after incentive)

[Uncle Paul]

If the Chinese were selling their cars at a loss like this, they would be banned for dumping.

 

[Evoforce]

My son has a Bolt and it is a nice car. Charging infrastructure needs to be better but he also has a Jdapter which allows him to use Tesla destination charging. Chevy is not even trying to "sell" these cars in numbers. I still believe they are compliance car numbers. Dealers in most States are hardly even ordering and stocking them let alone advertising to sell them. They are happy to spin customers to everything else.

 

[bro1999]

So a Bolt owner swapped out the stock rims and tires with lighter weight Cruze Eco 16" rims and better performance Goodyear Eagle sport tires, and was able to lower the 0-60 time to 5.9 seconds. The rim/tire swap dropped the weight of each wheel by 8 pounds per corner compared to the OEM wheels.
Lightweight Wheels and Tires combo (38lbs vs 46lbs Stock) - Chevy Bolt EV Forum

Really curious how a modestly modded Bolt (like above) would do against a SR Model 3 0-60.

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

If the Chinese were selling their cars at a loss like this, they would be banned for dumping.

If a Chinese were only selling PEVs and were selling them at a loss, then yes. But if they selling them as compliance vehicles to sell ICEVs they couldn't ban them due to the ZEV mandate.

 

[scaesare]

My son has a Bolt and it is a nice car. Charging infrastructure needs to be better but he also has a Jdapter which allows him to use Tesla destination charging.

Unfortunate.

 

[JohnSnowNW]

So a Bolt owner swapped out the stock rims and tires with lighter weight Cruze Eco 16" rims and better performance Goodyear Eagle sport tires, and was able to lower the 0-60 time to 5.9 seconds. The rim/tire swap dropped the weight of each wheel by 8 pounds per corner compared to the OEM wheels.
Lightweight Wheels and Tires combo (38lbs vs 46lbs Stock) - Chevy Bolt EV Forum

Really curious how a modestly modded Bolt (like above) would do against a SR Model 3 0-60.

It would lose by slightly less.

 

[bro1999]

It would lose by slightly less.

Maybe someday the SR 3 will materialize and we can see exactly how much less.

 

[JohnSnowNW]

Maybe someday the SR 3 will materialize and we can see exactly how much less.

Have to get through all those people that want to give Tesla more money first.

 

[scottf200]

wait till service centers are overloaded when the 3 is out in full bloom..it will truely suck-many suck now but just wait.

An ignorant FUD comment. Perhaps you missed this from Tesla.

“In Q4, we reduced service backlog in our busiest markets by 25%, and by year end we had increased the number of cars serviced per day by 45% since Q3’16, and by 95% since Q1’16. In fact, we are on track to reduce the global average wait time for vehicle service to less than one day by the end of the first quarter of 2017.”

AND then there is this!

“Ahead of the Model 3 launch, we are reengineering and expanding our operations as we anticipate the needs of a much larger family of Tesla owners. In service, since more than 80% of our repairs are so minor that they can be done remotely, we are expanding our mobile repair service that allows Tesla to make vehicle repairs at an owner’s home or office. In February, we opened a 168,000 square foot vehicle delivery center in Hong Kong; and we plan to accelerate expansion of the Supercharger network this year, starting with doubling our number of North American Supercharger locations in 2017.”

 

[WannabeOwner]

Perhaps you missed this from Tesla.

we are on track to reduce the global average wait time for vehicle service to less than one day by the end of the first quarter of 2017

There was a recent thread (in UK sub-forum) that Car service wait in the UK is 6 weeks ...

 

[alloverx]

There is a difference between how much a car company makes (or loses) overall per car sold and whether the company is selling the car at a loss. Tesla's gross profit per car sold is better than every major competitor in the business. They overall lose money because their fleet sales are not enough income to cover expansion and R&D. Tesla has had profitable quarters when they pulled in their horns and focused on selling cars. If they stopped expansion and R&D, they would be quite profitable, but that would be very short sighted and would hurt the company down the line.

I vaguely recall someone saying that Tesla have their R&D costs separate unlike other car makers. If thats right, then is that normal business accounting?

 

[MikeInFL]

Currently test driving a Bolt as they check most of the same boxes the Model 3 does. For a commuter car, it's damn good. It's not the best looking car but it drives well, and exceeds the rated range... By a lot. If we can find a good deal, we may pick one up.

 

[bro1999]

2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV Review - Long-Term Verdict

 

[croman]

Sounds like fairly high battery degredation. 6% in the first year (reviewer notes losing 15 miles of range out of 237).

 

[Saghost]

Sounds like fairly high battery degredation. 6% in the first year (reviewer notes losing 15 miles of range out of 237).

Keep in mind, GM estimated miles are nothing like Tesla rated miles - you can swing the GM display up or down by more than that in a single charge but hammering the throttle or hypermiling.

 

[bro1999]

Sounds like fairly high battery degredation. 6% in the first year (reviewer notes losing 15 miles of range out of 237).

You must be referring to this line:
"Similarly, the car’s predicted range before and after charging fell by 10 to 15 miles, which may simply be the car learning our typical driving style and adjusting its predictions."

I don't think he's saying the range has dropped 10-15 miles since it was new. But then again, I'm not exactly sure what he IS trying to say.
He did also state average kWh consumed during charging INCREASED by 2 kWh, which is opposite what you'd expect for a car with a degrading battery.

 

[bro1999]

For you battery nerds out there: SNE Research

Says the Bolt uses a 622 NMC mix. Says Tesla packs use NCA chemistry with nickel content that is 80% of metallic materials.
The next gen batteries will use 811 NMC. That's the chemistry GM is almost certainly gonna use in their next gen of EVs.

For the ludicrous battery nerds, check out this article (info overload! ): http://jes.ecsdl.org/content/164/7/A1361.full.pdf

 

[bro1999]

Sorta Bolt related (Bolt AV anyways):
General Motors shares soar as SoftBank invests $2.25 billion in automaker's self-driving vehicles

 

[EinSV]

While Model 3s are being delivered by the thousands to new owners in Canada, GM is dragging its heels on Canadian deliveries with delays of up to a year. Chevy Bolt EVs backordered by up to a year in Canada

Together with dismal deliveries in the U.S. year-to-date and GM's refusal to ship in quantity to Europe, I don't think the Bolt's status as a compliance car status can be seriously questioned.

 

[bro1999]

While Model 3s are being delivered by the thousands to new owners in Canada, GM is dragging its heels on Canadian deliveries with delays of up to a year. Chevy Bolt EVs backordered by up to a year in Canada

Together with dismal deliveries in the U.S. year-to-date and GM's refusal to ship in quantity to Europe, I don't think the Bolt's status as a compliance car status can be seriously questioned.

Compliance car? See Clarity Electric and Ioniq Electric. And Focus Electric. And Fiat 500e. All perfect examples.
The Bolt continues to be the only 200+ mile, <$40k BEV on the market available in all 50 states. Someday another car will join it.