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>>> Former White House adviser's book suggests high U.S. COVID death toll was avoidable
you don't say ?
duh ?
Didn't think a book needed to be written about it...
Amazed he did not offer up struggling Doral as the quarantine site then try to scam the taxpayers for their stay. BTW, good thing he did not and probably still do not know that Hawaii is an island. LOL
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
This does not surprise me at all, and it makes perfect sense that this conversation actually happened. He liked our numbers at 500 as I recall. Did not want to add the cruise ship numbers because they would be added to the total. At Gitmo they could be counted separately too.
All excellent sensible ideas. Sadly Trump did not understand how exponential growth works.
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We had some contractors come over to give us bids on a project, and all of them came without a mask but asked whether we wanted them to wear one. All of them similarly said, “Would you like me to wear a mask? You shouldn’t have to worry since I’m fully vaccinated.”
Made me think that their belief in vaccination is for my benefit more than their own. Or, they believe that vaccination prevents transmission.
Made me think that their belief in vaccination is for my benefit more than their own. Or, they believe that vaccination prevents transmission.
Darwins evolutionary theory literally playing our in Florida.
www.cnn.com
news.yahoo.com
A coronavirus outbreak hit a Florida government building. Two people are dead but a vaccinated employee wasn't infected | CNN
Two people are dead and four of their coworkers were hospitalized after a Covid-19 outbreak swept through a government building in Manatee County, Florida.
www.cnn.com
CDC: Nearly every adult COVID-19 death is now "entirely preventable" thanks to vaccines
Adult deaths from COVID-19 are "at this point entirely preventable" thanks to vaccines, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky said during a White House coronavirus briefing on Tuesday.Why it matters: Deaths from the virus have dramatically decreased since their...
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EVNow
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Darwins evolutionary theory literally playing our in Florida.
A coronavirus outbreak hit a Florida government building. Two people are dead but a vaccinated employee wasn't infected | CNN
Two people are dead and four of their coworkers were hospitalized after a Covid-19 outbreak swept through a government building in Manatee County, Florida.
CDC: Nearly every adult COVID-19 death is now "entirely preventable" thanks to vaccines
Adult deaths from COVID-19 are "at this point entirely preventable" thanks to vaccines, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky said during a White House coronavirus briefing on Tuesday.Why it matters: Deaths from the virus have dramatically decreased since their...
Sounds like the delta variant ...
EVNow
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A variant in one place will get to everywhere. 20% of new cases in US are Delta now.
Looking forward to the booster shot in winter ... hopefully also the vaccine for kids by then.
Fauci says delta accounts for 20% of new cases and will be dominant Covid variant in U.S. in weeks
Fauci said the variant has a doubling time of about two weeks and currently accounts for 20% newly diagnosed infections in the U.S.
From a USAToday article:
The graph below is already out of date now that Delta variant (B.1.617.2) is estimated to be 20%.
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scottf200
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They saw an Infectious Disease Specialist/IDS (due to Non-reactive antibody test result)
The IDS said it can take up to 70 days for antibodies to be produced depending on the individual and drugs being taken.
The IDS ordered more antibody tests. Unclear why 'A)' was requested.
A) SARS-COV-2 ANTI-N (NUCLEOCAPSID) ANTIBODY TOTAL (does not detect antibodies from vaccine)
B) SARS-COV-2 ANTI-N (M SPIKE) ANTIBODY TOTAL (detects antibodies from vaccine)
Great news on the 'M Spike' test today as they are now 'Reactive'.
SARS-CoV-2 Anti-S (M Spike) Antibody Total COBAS
Was: 5/20/21 Nonreactive
Now: 6/23/21 Reactive
Moderna 1st shot: Apr 01, 2021 - 83 days ago
Moderna 2nd shot: Apr 29, 2021 - 55 days ago
LapCorp Nucleocapid test: 164068: SARS-CoV-2 Antibodies, Nucleocapsid | Labcorp
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
There was a review of the myocarditis issue in young people associated with the mRNA vaccines today.
In the end, the biggest risk group by far is males from 12-24 years old, where it occurs in about 1 in 20k vaccinations after dose 2. Hospitalization is basically a given it sounds like, but patients generally do well (there are still two in the ICU though, out of several hundred cases!).
Symptoms usually show within the first week, most commonly within 4 days. However, it can take a bit longer in some cases. Chest pain is the most common symptom with shortness of breath much more rare.
The reaction is more common with Moderna than with Pfizer (about twice as common it appears), though data is limited for Moderna so far.
These rates seem lower than those that I have seen reported in papers from Israel (but have not looked closely at that), but they are still quite high indeed in these age groups.
Here's the most relevant presentation:
At these rates, in these age groups, the risk of COVID is clearly still much higher (hundreds of people in these age groups have died to date, and who knows how much other damage has been done).
www.cdc.gov
Obviously they'll continue to try to figure out why this is happening. If I had a child around the age of 12-18, I would go for Pfizer, I guess. There have been relatively few vaccinations of young people (12 and up) so far, so we'll see how this goes.
Here's where we stand on estimated IFRs though; looks like about 1 in 30k or so for very young people and maybe 1 in 10k or so for people in their 20s, from COVID. Obviously hospitalization rates are much higher... "Just the flu." (Definitely appears that except PERHAPS for age 5-12, COVID is substantially worse than even the worst influenza. The rates in 0-5 group are not obvious in this chart, but looking at the CDC data you can see outcomes are not great in this age group as compared to 5-12.)
In the end, the biggest risk group by far is males from 12-24 years old, where it occurs in about 1 in 20k vaccinations after dose 2. Hospitalization is basically a given it sounds like, but patients generally do well (there are still two in the ICU though, out of several hundred cases!).
Symptoms usually show within the first week, most commonly within 4 days. However, it can take a bit longer in some cases. Chest pain is the most common symptom with shortness of breath much more rare.
The reaction is more common with Moderna than with Pfizer (about twice as common it appears), though data is limited for Moderna so far.
These rates seem lower than those that I have seen reported in papers from Israel (but have not looked closely at that), but they are still quite high indeed in these age groups.
Here's the most relevant presentation:
At these rates, in these age groups, the risk of COVID is clearly still much higher (hundreds of people in these age groups have died to date, and who knows how much other damage has been done).
ACIP June 2021 Presentation Slides | Immunization Practices | CDC
ACIP Presentation slides from June 23-25, 2021 meeting. Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP).
www.cdc.gov
Obviously they'll continue to try to figure out why this is happening. If I had a child around the age of 12-18, I would go for Pfizer, I guess. There have been relatively few vaccinations of young people (12 and up) so far, so we'll see how this goes.
Here's where we stand on estimated IFRs though; looks like about 1 in 30k or so for very young people and maybe 1 in 10k or so for people in their 20s, from COVID. Obviously hospitalization rates are much higher... "Just the flu." (Definitely appears that except PERHAPS for age 5-12, COVID is substantially worse than even the worst influenza. The rates in 0-5 group are not obvious in this chart, but looking at the CDC data you can see outcomes are not great in this age group as compared to 5-12.)
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uujjj2
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If we were only vaccinating for a personal health benefit, the case for vaccinating 12-17 year olds is still there, but it's marginal. Not overwhelming like for adults. But vaccination isn't just about personal health but also preventing the spread of the virus. It's that public health benefit that makes the case for vaccinating the young.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Yep. Similarly, if older people (over 30) would just get themselves all vaccinated (at minimal risk to themselves), we would probably be able to "get away with" fewer vaccinations of younger people.
Vaccines are "only" 90-95% effective (this is great, but you still have a decent chance of getting sick, even though your chances of hospitalization/death are substantially reduced, given infection). But if you get enough people vaccinated, they become ~100% effective.
Everyone, even the vaccinated, benefits from everyone else getting vaccinated.
(It's also worth noting that the bar graph in the post above accounts for those societal benefits - it's not actually a direct comparison of individual risks. At least I think it's not - I'd have to read the methodology but often they do account for all benefits from vaccination when doing risk/benefit analysis.)
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And the myocarditis in young people is pretty quickly resolved. My wife is still seeing people with myocarditis and other issues from COVID19. Her fear is this is one more excuse for people to not get vaccinated and then we will see things out of control again come Fall/Winter.There was a review of the myocarditis issue in young people associated with the mRNA vaccines today.
In the end, the biggest risk group by far is males from 12-24 years old, where it occurs in about 1 in 20k vaccinations after dose 2. Hospitalization is basically a given it sounds like, but patients generally do well (there are still two in the ICU though, out of several hundred cases!).
Symptoms usually show within the first week, most commonly within 4 days. However, it can take a bit longer in some cases. Chest pain is the most common symptom with shortness of breath much more rare.
The reaction is more common with Moderna than with Pfizer (about twice as common it appears), though data is limited for Moderna so far.
These rates seem lower than those that I have seen reported in papers from Israel (but have not looked closely at that), but they are still quite high indeed in these age groups.
Here's the most relevant presentation:
At these rates, in these age groups, the risk of COVID is clearly still much higher (hundreds of people in these age groups have died to date, and who knows how much other damage has been done).
View attachment 676814ACIP June 2021 Presentation Slides | Immunization Practices | CDC
ACIP Presentation slides from June 23-25, 2021 meeting. Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP).
Obviously they'll continue to try to figure out why this is happening. If I had a child around the age of 12-18, I would go for Pfizer, I guess. There have been relatively few vaccinations of young people (12 and up) so far, so we'll see how this goes.
Here's where we stand on estimated IFRs though; looks like about 1 in 30k or so for very young people and maybe 1 in 10k or so for people in their 20s, from COVID. Obviously hospitalization rates are much higher... "Just the flu." (Definitely appears that except PERHAPS for age 5-12, COVID is substantially worse than even the worst influenza. The rates in 0-5 group are not obvious in this chart, but looking at the CDC data you can see outcomes are not great in this age group as compared to 5-12.)
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