Here is one estimate that 11% of the US population (meaning another 36 million people) might be infected by the current Delta variant wave.
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In total, 85 people who attended the summer camp in mid-June were infected, most of them teens, according to the health department. One unvaccinated young adult was hospitalized, officials said.
The spate of infections also appears to have spawned a secondary outbreak. Officials said some people from the camp attended a nearby conference, where 11 people subsequently tested positive.
Delta Coronavirus Variant Infects All Unvaccinated Guests At Australian Birthday Party
A Covid-19 superspreader birthday party has been reported by Australian public health authorities where 24 of 30 guests were infected with the highly-transmissible Delta SARS-CoV2 coronavirus variant. Six fully-vaccinated healthcare workers were also in attendance and so far, none of them have tested positive for the virus.
I’ll guess AZ…..View attachment 680407
So now, 3 of the 6 vaccinated guests are also Delta Covid positive.
No statement on who had which vaccine (AZ or Pfizer)
its a sensitive issue, in theory there is no difference between vaccines, and early on there were threats to "struck off" Australian doctors if they promoted one over the other. Doctors complain of ‘gag’ over AstraZeneca vaccine Now there is obvious safety and effectiveness difference. Australia bet heavily on AstraZeneca, but it turns out that AZ is more dangerous than Covid-19 for under 60's for a country without covid19 outbreak, so we major oversupply of the vaccine we don't want, and a serious shortage of the vaccine we do want.
Germany's Standing Vaccine Commission (STIKO) has issued updated Covid vaccination advice in light of the spread of Delta, stating that the second dose after AstraZeneca should be an mRNA vaccine, regardless of the patient's age.
Not in low prevalence areas. Say your chance of getting infected in some random part of Australia this year is 1 in 5000. And as a healthy ~50 year old your chance of severe disease if infected is 1 in 1000. That's a 1 in 5 million chance of severe disease, a very high bar for a vaccine to clear. And it could be 1 in 50 million for a 25 year old.The risk of COVID is significantly higher than any of the vaccines that have made it to distribution. Especially the newer strains.
please explain what isNot in low prevalence areas. Say your chance of getting infected in some random part of Australia this year is 1 in 5000. And as a healthy ~50 year old your chance of severe disease if infected is 1 in 1000. That's a 1 in 5 million chance of severe disease, a very high bar for a vaccine to clear. And it could be 1 in 50 million for a 25 year old.
It might be better at the individual level to wait for a more effective and/or safer vaccine.
Pfizer/Moderna. @renim said Australia has a surplus of Astrazeneca but no supply of MRNA vaccines. I was explaining why it might make sense for a young, healthy individual in a low prevalence region of Oz to pass on AZ if they might be able to get Pfizer/Moderna later this year.please explain what is
“a more effective and/or safer vaccine”
Pfizer/Moderna. @renim said Australia has a surplus of Astrazeneca but no supply of MRNA vaccines. I was explaining why it might make sense for a young, healthy individual in a low prevalence region of Oz to pass on AZ if they might be able to get Pfizer/Moderna later this year.
The math is different for society. The population at large may benefit from every young person getting jabbed even if it results in higher illness among the young/healthy cohort.
Sometimes low prevalence exists BECAUSE of near-universal vaccination. So the few individuals who don't risk vaccine side effects are protected by the overwhelming majority who do. We see this with measles, etc. These anti-vaxxers are just free-riding on their peers. But that's not the situation in Australia.
Anyway, COVID math is different in the US. Prevalence here is far from low and we have surplus Moderna/Pfizer available. If someone here wants to exercise their anti-vax rights they should do so on their own property. I support workplace and public area bans.
Australia and New Zealand have done excellent jobs of containing each outbreak so it has not swept through those countries, but it's like fighting terrorism. The governments trying to contain the virus need to be effective 100% of the time and the virus only needs to escape containment once. Every time there is an outbreak, parts of the economy have to shut down until it's dealt with. The population is getting virus fatigue and each containment is getting harder to maintain.
I also understand the calculation that healthy people might make in a country with lower risk of contacting the virus in the wild, but it's ultimately foolish.
Unfortunately, freedom to some means freedom to discriminate / kill people.Anyway, COVID math is different in the US. Prevalence here is far from low and we have surplus Moderna/Pfizer available. If someone here wants to exercise their anti-vax rights they should do so on their own property. I support workplace and public area bans.
Send them to a place where they can prevent deaths. India wouldn’t have had so many deaths if everyone was vaccinated, even with AZ. Too many people I know died there (in their 30s/40s) because they thought Covid was over and didn’t get vaccinated.so we major oversupply of the vaccine we don't want, and a serious shortage of the vaccine we do want.
Send them to a place where they can prevent deaths. India wouldn’t have had so many deaths if everyone was vaccinated, even with AZ. Too many people I know died there (in their 30s/40s) because they thought Covid was over and didn’t get vaccinated.