Thanks for the article link and quote. I’m curious how pharmacists/primary care providers will ethically approach giving a second bivalvent booster to someone who is not over 65 nor immune-compromised. Can they refuse giving it, even if the patient wants it?
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scottf200
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For people that really wanted it then they could theoretically go to a different place than they got their first one and 'pretend' they didn't get the first one. Everyone would have to do their own due diligence and decide how they want to handle these theoretical personal choices.
With me they said it was strongly not recommended. However, that was before the latest guidance. FYI, I’m well over 65.
JRP3
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dhanson865
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Researchers Find an Antibody that Targets Omicron and Other SARS-CoV-2 Variants
A team led by researchers at Weill Cornell Medicine, the University of Wisconsin-Madison; Scripps Research and the University of Chicago has identified an antibody that appears to block infection by all dominant variants of the virus that causes COVID-19, including omicron, the most recent.
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bkp_duke
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Researchers Find an Antibody that Targets Omicron and Other SARS-CoV-2 Variants
A team led by researchers at Weill Cornell Medicine, the University of Wisconsin-Madison; Scripps Research and the University of Chicago has identified an antibody that appears to block infection by all dominant variants of the virus that causes COVID-19, including omicron, the most recent.
Cross-reactive antibodies. The cornerstone of a robust and long-lasting immune response.
AlanSubie4Life
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Elon still trying to wrap his head around how things work, three years later. I guess science doesn’t come naturally to all of us!
Narrator: This is what is known in the parlance as a “dumb question” - and yes, there’s such a thing. It is not a good question. Use your head. Great mystery, my *ss.
Narrator: This is what is known in the parlance as a “dumb question” - and yes, there’s such a thing. It is not a good question. Use your head. Great mystery, my *ss.
Florida health officials removed key data from COVID vaccine report
"Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo announced in October that young men should not get the COVID-19 vaccine, guidance that runs counter to medical advice issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
His recommendation was based on a state analysis that showed the risk of cardiac-related deaths increased significantly for some age groups after receiving a vaccine. It has been criticized by experts, including professors and epidemiologists at the University of Florida, where Ladapo is employed as a professor.
Now, draft versions of the analysis obtained by the Tampa Bay Times show that this recommendation was made despite the state having contradictory data. It showed that catching COVID-19 could increase the chances of a cardiac-related death much more than getting the vaccine.
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New news about old stuff. No surprise.
"Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo announced in October that young men should not get the COVID-19 vaccine, guidance that runs counter to medical advice issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
His recommendation was based on a state analysis that showed the risk of cardiac-related deaths increased significantly for some age groups after receiving a vaccine. It has been criticized by experts, including professors and epidemiologists at the University of Florida, where Ladapo is employed as a professor.
Now, draft versions of the analysis obtained by the Tampa Bay Times show that this recommendation was made despite the state having contradictory data. It showed that catching COVID-19 could increase the chances of a cardiac-related death much more than getting the vaccine.
..."
New news about old stuff. No surprise.
DanCar
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So for the uneducated among us, where did the flu go and why is it a dumb question?
People were largely isolated (remote schooling, widespread masking, handwashing, remote work, travel down). Those things actually do work to reduce the spread of respiratory viruses. It's self evident for those of us in the game. Maybe not for everyone.
PACEMD
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More dumb questions...
- Why do people publish charts without the legend?
I googled and looks like the orangey ones are Influenza type B lineages, and the aqua-like ones are type A.
- What happened to the southern hemisphere? I would've thought there would be mini-bumps for their winter...
AlanSubie4Life
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The flu is not very contagious and has a reproduction rate only barely large enough to spread widely under normal conditions (summer is enough to shut it down as well). Reduce that a bit with social distancing etc and it just can’t sustain spread and it goes away (nearly).
It’s not as contagious as COVID since people have immunity, for the most part (and maybe due to inherent viral differences).
Since COVID is more contagious, the same measures did not completely stop spread - though tremendously slowed it down of course, saving millions of lives.
Not very complicated or mysterious and very well supported by the evidence. Not sure why Elon is confused - he thought COVID was going to go away so he clearly understands how this works, and so the influenza should be a no-brainer for him.
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AlanSubie4Life
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There are sometimes. Only 10% of the world population lives there and a lot of them are not well tracked.
Consider the source. Not the sharpest tool.
DanCar
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I vote for yearly work from home, to limit flu spread. Dec - Jan?
JRP3
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Wastewater levels on a downward trend except for a recent rise in the west, hopefully only a temporary increase.
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More blue dots in NY than I've seen previously
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More blue dots in NY than I've seen previously
PACEMD
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What? Not very contagious? You've clearly not been paying attention. A lot years influenza has backed up our emergency departments and hospitals nationwide worse than covid. The difference was/is that it ain't a totally new and therefore scary unknown........Influenza is however different every year, continually adding unusual manifestations.
The R0 (infectivity) of influenza is typically less for influenza than covid, and the time a person is contagious is about a day for flu vs. several days for covid.
I think you could say both are very contagious, but Covid is worse. So when we saw the effects of shutting down and masking, it was much more apparent for flu because it almost completely shut it down. I have no doubt whatsoever that had we not, the peaks in that chart for covid would have been much higher, and the death rates, both directly from covid and indirectly because health care was overwhelmed.
Comparison of COVID-19 and influenza characteristics
The emergence of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) not only poses a serious threat to the health of people worldwide but also affects the global economy. The outbreak of COVID-19 began in December 2019, at the same time as the influenza season. However, ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
If people would be considerate of others by wearing proper N95 masks and doing frequent hand washing, neither would be as much of a concern as they are is today. But I suppose that's too much to ask. SighThe R0 (infectivity) of influenza is typically less for influenza than covid, and the time a person is contagious is about a day for flu vs. several days for covid.
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I think you could say both are very contagious, but Covid is worse. So when we saw the effects of shutting down and masking, it was much more apparent for flu because it almost completely shut it down. I have no doubt whatsoever that had we not, the peaks in that chart for covid would have been much higher, and the death rates, both directly from covid and indirectly because health care was overwhelmed.
Comparison of COVID-19 and influenza characteristics
The emergence of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) not only poses a serious threat to the health of people worldwide but also affects the global economy. The outbreak of COVID-19 began in December 2019, at the same time as the influenza season. However, ...
PACEMD
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Perhaps, but that's a very different statement than saying influenza is not very contagious. If someone wants to compare how theoretically contagious various viruses are have at it. An intellectual game. In a practical sense, it doesn't tell you a lot........
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