Define "reliable,"
and
Understand the difference between droplet and airborne.
You can also go back in this thread and read the links I provided from medical studies that showed surgical mask efficacy in reducing spread during other respiratory droplet infections.
Let me put this in manner a layperson should be able to understand:
Given a choice of social distancing of 3 or 6 feet, which do you choose ?
Is either distance "reliable" ?
I read this thread more than most, but I don't have time to read every message and I joined it in progress. The thread is growing about 20 pages a day. I didn't see the previous discussion on this.
What I have seen about surgical masks is they are intended to prevent outgoing contaminants, so surgeons don't infect their patients with whatever they have during surgery. They have some limited ability to stop incoming large droplets, but they do not seal to the face and are much less effective than masks that seal to the face like N95 masks.
Though as a mask goes a surgical mask beats a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.
Yes indeed. And most people probably don’t need zinc supplementation anyways. It is the ionophore that is important, supposedly, like Quercetin, to supplement.
Zinc is very toxic to rinoviruses, which is why a lot of cold remedies have zinc in them. But I believe rinoviruses are the only family of viruses that die from zinc exposure, though I'm no expert in that. I have found Zicam is effective at knocking out rinoviruses before they start. From time to time I've had a cold type virus that Zicam didn't touch. I assume that was probably one of the milder coronoaviruses.
I assume both countries are still seeing spread, but we don't hear about it for various reasons. Nobody is immune to this thing and people are traveling, it's gonna spread to some degree for another while no matter what.
China is probably just rigging the numbers to appear powerful and superior. Fair enough. If they have it relatively under control and are so unconcerned that they have meetings about rigging numbers.....then they must be OK.
My guess is Korea is just really good and stamping out flareups and most new moderate cases are riding them out at home. Hence the trickle of deaths without the new cases. Of course deaths can trail infection by 2 weeks as well.
I'm interested to see what this means for Korea moving forward. Is there going to be a mega-outbreak of this in 2022 since few people have been infected and built resistance relative to somewhere like the US where 40-50% or more will get it?
The South Koreans have effectively flattened the curve, but because the incubation period is long and some cases are asymptomatic, a percentage of the critical workers needed to keep society running are carrying it and don't know it. By being out and about, they are infecting others and some of those others get sick. Very few cases are coming in from outside the country because they are taking the same measures a lot of countries are to quarantine people coming into the country.
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of new infections are from people who are asymptomatic (either truly asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic).
I suspect the models are optimistic as well. The critique I've seen is that they're overestimating the effectiveness of the social distancing measures we've put in place.
I hadn't heard that. Needless to say that would be very bad for the USA, 71% of our population is overweight. I just ordered another scale because I left mine at the office which is now closed.
I have heard that obesity is a complicating factor that puts a lot of American at risk. Though a study i found years ago showed that people who were a little overweight, but not obese tended to have the highest survival rate for serious illness because they have enough stored to help them through without it being a health risk.
Yes, what does it mean going forward. Your last sentence indicates you are still hoping for herd immunity. What if immunity is lost after a too short time? There would be no herd immunity at all. I think we don't know that yet. But this specific question is unrelated to South Korea, I think.
If most of the world gets it before the vaccine and immunity only lasts ~2 years, the virus might be effectively extinct by the time immunity wears off. If small pox came back it would be devastating for most of the world under 50 because nobody has been vaccinated, but it's not a problem because as far as we can tell it's extinct in the wild.
