Here is one estimate that 11% of the US population (meaning another 36 million people) might be infected by the current Delta variant wave.
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dhanson865
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This is my home county, looks like vaccinations have virtually stopped in the last couple of weeks.
So what are your takes on Ivermectin as a treatment for covid-19?
Overview of studies:
Overview of studies:
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Case downtrend seems to be leveling off unfortunately
Locally county vaccinations have leveled off as well
Locally county vaccinations have leveled off as well
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
85 teens, staffers get coronavirus at summer camp that didn't require masks or check vaccine status
More than 80 teens and adults have tested positive for the coronavirus after attending a central Illinois summer camp that didn't check their vaccination status or require masks indoors, state health officials said. All the campers and staffers at Crossing Camp in Rushville, Ill., were eligible...
So now, 3 of the 6 vaccinated guests are also Delta Covid positive.
No statement on who had which vaccine (AZ or Pfizer)
its a sensitive issue, in theory there is no difference between vaccines, and early on there were threats to "struck off" Australian doctors if they promoted one over the other. Doctors complain of ‘gag’ over AstraZeneca vaccine Now there is obvious safety and effectiveness difference. Australia bet heavily on AstraZeneca, but it turns out that AZ is more dangerous than Covid-19 for under 60's for a country without covid19 outbreak, so we major oversupply of the vaccine we don't want, and a serious shortage of the vaccine we do want.
The AZ vaccine is a bit high on risks compared to the other vaccines, but the blood clot risk is still very low. The risk of COVID is significantly higher than any of the vaccines that have made it to distribution. Especially the newer strains.
Doggydogworld
Active Member
Not in low prevalence areas. Say your chance of getting infected in some random part of Australia this year is 1 in 5000. And as a healthy ~50 year old your chance of severe disease if infected is 1 in 1000. That's a 1 in 5 million chance of severe disease, a very high bar for a vaccine to clear. And it could be 1 in 50 million for a 25 year old.
It might be better at the individual level to wait for a more effective and/or safer vaccine.
please explain what is
“a more effective and/or safer vaccine”
at present we in the US are already having pockets of sickness and death from Covid-19 variants where the unvaccinated die and vaccinated live.
large parts of the rest of the world are filled with “human bio-reactors” mutating variants continuously with rapid evolution until they get vaccines, and borders are porous.
you are not safe until everyone is safe.
i prefer to defer illness and death as much as possible, since
“that what doesn’t kill you, weakens you enough, so something else can finish the job of turning you to mulch”
Doggydogworld
Active Member
Pfizer/Moderna. @renim said Australia has a surplus of Astrazeneca but no supply of MRNA vaccines. I was explaining why it might make sense for a young, healthy individual in a low prevalence region of Oz to pass on AZ if they might be able to get Pfizer/Moderna later this year.
The math is different for society. The population at large may benefit from every young person getting jabbed even if it results in higher illness among the young/healthy cohort.
Sometimes low prevalence exists BECAUSE of near-universal vaccination. So the few individuals who don't risk vaccine side effects are protected by the overwhelming majority who do. We see this with measles, etc. These anti-vaxxers are just free-riding on their peers. But that's not the situation in Australia.
Anyway, COVID math is different in the US. Prevalence here is far from low and we have surplus Moderna/Pfizer available. If someone here wants to exercise their anti-vax rights they should do so on their own property. I support workplace and public area bans.
Australia and New Zealand have done excellent jobs of containing each outbreak so it has not swept through those countries, but it's like fighting terrorism. The governments trying to contain the virus need to be effective 100% of the time and the virus only needs to escape containment once. Every time there is an outbreak, parts of the economy have to shut down until it's dealt with. The population is getting virus fatigue and each containment is getting harder to maintain.
I also understand the calculation that healthy people might make in a country with lower risk of contacting the virus in the wild, but it's ultimately foolish.
... if only there was a way to reduce transmittability just a bit- like wearing masks.
EVNow
Well-Known Member
Unfortunately, freedom to some means freedom to discriminate / kill people.
I finally decided to get a proper haircut. Called my normal shop to ask whether everyone was vaccinated there. The person actually said (and believes) it’s illegal to even ask that question. That’s where we are now. This in WA, not DL, btw.
EVNow
Well-Known Member
Send them to a place where they can prevent deaths. India wouldn’t have had so many deaths if everyone was vaccinated, even with AZ. Too many people I know died there (in their 30s/40s) because they thought Covid was over and didn’t get vaccinated.
Not just prevent deaths there,
but also to lower the likelihood of even more dangerous mutations.
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Israel data 'preliminary signal' Delta variant can bypass vaccine: expert
"Rising coronavirus cases in Israel, where most residents are inoculated with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, offer "a preliminary signal" the vaccine may be less effective in preventing mild illness from the Delta variant, a top expert said Monday.
But Ran Balicer, chairman of Israel's national expert panel on COVID-19, stressed it was "too early to precisely assess vaccine effectiveness against the variant" first identified in India in April that is surging across the globe.
That is partly due to the overall low number of cases among fully vaccinated Israelis, and because exposure to the virus and the likelihood of being tested are not evenly distributed across the population, further complicating efforts to reach conclusions about the data.
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Vaccinations had brought transmission down to about five local new cases per day, but that figure has risen to around 300 in recent days, with the Delta variant raging.
About half of the daily cases are among children, and half are among mostly vaccinated adults.
"To some extent that could be expected since 85 percent of Israeli adults are vaccinated," Balicer said.
"But the rates in which we see these breakthrough cases make some believe they extend beyond that expected point and suggest some decrease in vaccine effectiveness against mild illness—but not severe illness—is likely."
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Thousands thought they were getting the Covid vaccine. They were injected with salt water instead.
In India, Doctors were selling fake COVID vaccine.
In India, Doctors were selling fake COVID vaccine.
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