Deliveries of $80k X?

[mathnerd88]

My '23 Plaid will be $12 cheaper than my '22 PY with the same options. This is what Progressive quoted me online when I used a '23 Plaid VIN I found online. FWIW, I'm 70 y.o. and a clean record.

Again, context. I believe EVs cost more to insure than ICE counterparts. I was making the comparison between ICE and EV, and how Tesla makes it a huge deal on their website in terms of 'gas savings' but then forgets to mention how much more it costs to insure an EV over another ICE vehicle of the same price, which negates gas savings in the first place, at least in my experience.

I have yet to see anyone say their EV costs less or equal to a comparable ICE vehicle to insure (with the exception of that 15 year old BMW, but that just sounds wrong in general.)

It's also extremely hard to find a population of people who own multiple new cars of around the same price and compare prices on their insurance premiums as well, but this is my experience, and I'm trying to let people be aware that going Tesla may not necessarily save you money for those wanting to know that answer.

 

[savany71]

for all of the folks who decided to wait or cancel orders back in November for a "2024" vin..........Y'all hanging in there ok ? Trust me i'm just as shocked to still see 2023's pumping out like no tomorrow and to add sugar on top, no POS credit. Someone wake Elon up and tell him its 2024!

Yup, I canceled my order in December and placed another order 12/31/23 to keep my Cybertruck discount. They assigned the same VIN the same day but after speaking with the advisor, my new order is on hold till end of Jan...if they offer discount on 2023, I will certainly consider taking delivery...

 

[Masakakyo]

My delivery advisor said they didn’t hear anything. He recommended me wait at least until mid next week. I pushed my appointment to next Saturday afternoon for now.

I will do the same despite what my delivery advisor tells me. Thanks for sharing info!

I also called delivery centers in LA and in Brea. Both of them told me they are still working on it. Wish the Upland delivery center didn't just lie to my face...

 

[ChiefRollo]

Again, context. I believe EVs cost more to insure than ICE counterparts. I was making the comparison between ICE and EV, and how Tesla makes it a huge deal on their website in terms of 'gas savings' but then forgets to mention how much more it costs to insure an EV over another ICE vehicle of the same price, which negates gas savings in the first place, at least in my experience.

I have yet to see anyone say their EV costs less or equal to a comparable ICE vehicle to insure (with the exception of that 15 year old BMW, but that just sounds wrong in general.)

It's also extremely hard to find a population of people who own multiple new cars of around the same price and compare prices on their insurance premiums as well, but this is my experience, and I'm trying to let people be aware that going Tesla may not necessarily save you money for those wanting to know that

To share your experience as representative of reality of all of us to the uninformed is presumptuous…and I would venture to say indicative of how you typically see yourself, “special”. Hate to break it to you, you like the rest of us are an “n” of precisely 1. You can kick and scream and it won’t change a darn thing.

 

[BKFinest101]

I just got an email from Tesla saying that I need to accept the new EPA changes or my order will be canceled.

 

[xxfasteddie]

Anyone else get an email from Tesla about their order? I got this from them a little while ago.

We are contacting you to let you know that we do not build the configuration you originally selected. To move forward with your order, please reconfigure your Model X at your earliest convenience.

We received updated EPA range estimates for Model X Long Range that are slightly lower than when you placed your order. This update is a result of several comfort and functionality improvements we’ve made across our vehicles, which require more energy from the battery pack. The EPA also updated their range testing guidance to ensure sticker estimates for all manufacturers more closely reflect real-world range, impacting previous range estimates for all manufacturers, not just Tesla.

To update your design, please sign in to your Tesla Account and select ‘Update Design’ by January 10, 2024.

If we do not hear from you by January 10, 2024, we will assume that you no longer wish to purchase a vehicle. We will automatically cancel your order and refund your order fee.

 

[Milan Djabirov]

I’m guilty of inflaming and detracting thread by joking about Tesla’s new ranges framed as a new year resolution. The word “lie” seems to have stoked some negative emotions. They lie, but it was a joke and most oems lie these days (and unfortunately we’ve come to accept that as normal and defensible). Let’s get back to X deliveries.

 

[lonnielevi]

Just got an email about the EPA range. Their reasoning is a little odd. They say it’s because the comfort and functionality improvements require more energy. I can either get a $250 order fee refund or “update design” by the 10th to keep the order. Is this the first time Tesla has been proactive about refunding due to design changes? Did they do this with the orders they had from before the current refresh?

 

[Milan Djabirov]

Anyone else get an email from Tesla about their order? I got this from them a little while ago.

“ This update is a result of several comfort and functionality improvements we’ve made across our vehicles, which require more energy from the battery pack.”

Now if they were more specific I’d believe them. But sounds like corporate-speak lawyer language.

 

[MP3Mike]

Is this the first time Tesla has been proactive about refunding due to design changes?

Nope.

Did they do this with the orders they had from before the current refresh?

Yep, only they weren't further because they totally changed the pricing as well when the Palladium refresh was released.

Assuming you accept, that should mean you will get a 2024 VIN.

 

[maxdrive10]

Anyone else get an email from Tesla about their order? I got this from them a little while ago.

I did. I don't see any "Update Design" functionality in their workflow.

 

[lonnielevi]

Anyone else get an email from Tesla about their order? I got this from them a little while ago.

When I click the link, it redirects multiple times and eventually my browser gives up. I’m still seeing the old range when I go to edit the design in my account. So I’m not sure what to do. I assume it’ll be fixed soon.

 

[xxfasteddie]

When I click the link, it redirects multiple times and eventually my browser gives up. I’m still seeing the old range when I go to edit the design in my account. So I’m not sure what to do. I assume it’ll be fixed soon.

Same here, if I don't see something by monday I will go down to the SC

 

[Jen_v]

I just got an email from Tesla saying that I need to accept the new EPA changes or my order will be canceled.

I got the same email to edit my design but I can’t even edit it at this time cause it says so. Called Tesla and they don’t even have any idea what email. Typical Tesla

 

[tezlaMXUR17&24]

I got the same email to edit my design but I can’t even edit it at this time cause it says so. Called Tesla and they don’t even have any idea what email. Typical Tesla

yep more Tesla farce!

 

[mathnerd88]

To share your experience as representative of reality of all of us to the uninformed is presumptuous…and I would venture to say indicative of how you typically see yourself, “special”. Hate to break it to you, you like the rest of us are an “n” of precisely 1. You can kick and scream and it won’t change a darn thing.

Thanks for your input. Not sure how your input really adds any value either. Not saying I am any special either. So it is quite presumptuous of you to assume this as well. My guess is that quite a significant amount of people are experiencing higher premiums on a Tesla.

Yes, n=1 from me, but there are many others with exactly the same experiences as well. If you look at Reddit there are way more.

Here are couple examples.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelX/comments/15zqxq8

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelX/comments/16g0cho

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelX/comments/18cb182

There are even news articles about Tesla costing more to insure.

How much is Tesla car insurance? 2024 rates by model and state

Tesla car insurance costs more than the average car insurance policy, but you might be able to save with insurance directly from Tesla.

www.insurance.com

My main point was that Tesla tried to fluff up their feathers by touting ‘gas savings’ in their prices, but do not mention anything about increased insurance cost as well as a possibility. Not everyone will experience that amount of gas savings. No need to get your panties up in a bunch over it. If you can find evidence to the contrary for the average buyer/ car owner, I’m all ears and I’ll admit I was completely wrong. Anyways, I will not comment about this any further. There is no point in trying to argue this any more than I already have.

 

[RyanC1384]

I’m set to pickup a 2023 on Monday morning - wondering if I should do my 14 day delay to nab a 2024 with ambient lighting that “requires more power from the battery pack”

 

[towndrunk]

I logged in and got an error, refreshed, same error, then I went back in my browser to the "manage design" page (where I was last time) and I was logged in. I think everyone trying to update their order at the same time, is crashing the servers. You might try later.

Looks like everything is the same and the same price, just had to click "update design" to agree to changed terms. Stupid lawyers.

I was worried I'd have to give up something, but the only change seems to be the mileage.

 

[BKFinest101]

I got the same email to edit my design but I can’t even edit it at this time cause it says so. Called Tesla and they don’t even have any idea what email. Typical Tesla

When I click on the link it just takes me to my account page. But I looked everywhere and can’t find anywhere to update and accept the changes. I text my SA, but nothing yet.

 

[TespaceX]

When I click on the link it just takes me to my account page. But I looked everywhere and can’t find anywhere to update and accept the changes. I text my SA, but nothing yet.

Same