Looks like you are resorting to personal attacks now since you can't even make sense of your own faulty logic. The truth (that you are being disrespected by Tesla) must be really hurting you!
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Discussion: Model Y General Waiting room for orders placed After January 2023
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I'm not even gonna read all that because you again are telling me that I should be sooooo empathetic about Tesla's production and business timeline and be happy with the delay and being skipped order etc. Nope.
To my knowledge, there is not a single EV sold in US that would meet the critical battery components requirement. As its written, this requirement makes no common sense. Either remove the requirement or delay its enforcement until a realistic date -- perhaps 1/1/2024 would be realistic.
Hey Everyone thought I would provide an update… excited to get delivery before March 1, but past posts have made me nervous with the Austin build, fingers crossed!
MYLR White/Black/20”/5 Seat
OD: 1/21
EDD: 3/8-3/31
Updated EDD 2/3: 2/16-3/3
VIN assigned 2/10, EDD: 2/21-2/28
Location: Southern California
Yes, one of the many examples of how Tesla is disrespecting another customer. You should stop complaining because some folks here believe that this is no fault of Tesla's and you should just keep waiting quietly until Tesla can finally change their production set up to make your build. That is after they made all that money by fulfilling easy orders for other customers who ordered way past your OD.
scionbox
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That's my understanding too. Unless they start mining these materials in the US, they would have to rely on the recycling business first.
Check out this. It might make some auto makers eligible sooner. I hope they will send the batteries to Tesla first.
Tesla cofounder's Redwood just scored a $2B govt loan to make EV batteries
The Nevada gigafactory is going to make enough battery materials to produce more than 1 million EVs annually in the US.
electrek.co
I rejected a badly dented car at the service center, they told me that they will not do bondo or body filler, they would only replace the complete panel, (rear liftgate in my case), they didn't know if the new liftgate assembly would arrive to the service center painted, or if it would need to be sent out to a Tesla certified local body shop for paint. That was too much like a used, wrecked car for me, so I opted to wait for a custom order VIN (my original order was from local inventory).
It's ironic that Tesla is an AI company but can't nail down the programming logic to avoid this from happening. I'm guessing if you posted this to Elon's twitter, he wouldn't find it acceptable.
Ckim0510
Member
when i did my registration and all that the app picked my pick up location. (Roswell)
Thank you for sharing. This is definitely a huge step in the right direction. I didn't see an estimated date when this facility would be live. Did I miss that?That's my understanding too. Unless they start mining these materials in the US, they would have to rely on the recycling business first.
Check out this. It might make some auto makers eligible sooner. I hope they will send the batteries to Tesla first.
Tesla cofounder's Redwood just scored a $2B govt loan to make EV batteries
The Nevada gigafactory is going to make enough battery materials to produce more than 1 million EVs annually in the US.
Are they available today or just in production and scheduled to be delivered to the local store at some point? I was looking at those but the "coming soon" aspect of it seems quite vague.
May be you should start a "Is Tesla disrespectful" thread and take it up there.
Or better, call their customer care and take it up with them.
[I know this is long, but I’m honestly interested in your answers to my questions.]
I’m glad you asked and that you feel this way because it gives you and I a chance to continue this conversation while we twiddle our thumbs waiting for our cars. Plus, it allows me to think this through and gives the true experts in the forum a chance to correct me.
No, I don’t work at Tesla but I have a smidgen of OR studies and enough mfg & engineering experience to think I know how a factory works. So let’s do a thought experiment and see what you would do. (Of course, my numbers are for illustration only, but the process is real.)
You purchase the Acme Car Company. I’ve been the Acme factory mgr for the past 10 years. My objective has been factory efficiency. Your objective is to respect your customers by scheduling orders in a strict FIFO sequence.
At the time of your purchase of the Acme Car Company:
-- We have one paint line in the factory (of course factories may have more but my point remains the same.)
-- We offer 5 colors.
-- The factory works five days a week, 11 hours per day.
-- We batch paint colors: On Mondays we paint white, Tuesdays blue, Wednesdays grey, etc.
-- We mfg 10 cars / day, 50 cars per week (i.e., one car per hour of mfg time.)
-- It takes one hour to reconfigure the paint line from one color to the next. That is done in the 11th hour of each day. From a cost acc’t perspective, the COGS of each car built that day is burdened with 1/10th of that downtime.
The day after you purchase the company you tell me to mfg the cars in the sequence in which customers ordered. You then ask me how many cars we will we build in a week. How many do you think? To give you an answer I ask you to predict the quantity of each color and the pattern in which the orders will arrive. I ask you how many times will I have to change paint colors in a day.
If you can answer those questions, I’ll tell you two things: 1) The number of cars we can build / week. 2) Whether or not you, I and the rest of the workers will be able to put food on our table within a month.
But wait, don’t answer yet.
We’ve got to layer on a little accounting and the fact that twenty other people funded your purchase of Acme Car Company. Those 20 are shareholders like you. It is now March 27, near the end of the fiscal quarter. Your shareholders are pressuring you for a return on their investment with a showing of Q/Q growth rate of 8%.
But, FASB regulations stipulate that Acme’s revrec occurs at customer delivery, not the factory exit.
-- Our car carrying trucks handle 10 cars at a time.
-- Delivery to NYC is 5 days from build date.
-- Delivery to SF is same day as build date.
All 10 of the SF customers ordered before the 10 NYC customers. If on March 27 you build the 10 SF customer cars and on March 28 you build the 10 NYC cars, the NYC customers will not take delivery before quarter end and your Q/Q growth will be an anemic 2%.
Now, what is YOUR decision? Do we fulfill your objective of respecting customers and build and deliver according to the sequence in which we receive customer orders? Or not?
I'm not sure how Tesla does it, but some automakers build in identical batches and some don't.
Every Ford coming down the assembly line has a different trim, color, and options. This allows each vehicle to be built to the dealer's or customer's order and offers a lot of customization. You'll rarely find two truly identical F-150s since there are thousands of possible combinations.
Honda, on the other hand, builds only in identical batches. They don't accept orders. Instead, they accept requests from dealers for a particular trim and color combination (from a relatively small number of possible combinations). Once they receive enough requests for a particular combination, they'll build a batch of them which get distributed to dealers. Depending on how many requests Honda receives for a specific combination, the customer or dealer who places a "special order" (which is actually a request and not an order) may have to wait week or months...or they may never get the particular vehicle they want if Honda doesn't receive enough requests to justify building an identical batch before that year's model run ends.
Notice how each of these Broncos has a different color and wheels. Notice how each of the Honda Accords is identical.
Not trying to be rude, but can you guys switch to DM's and stop spamming this thread about tesla's production problems and being disrespected by them lol
Everyone here is looking for updates from others deliveries and the status of those deliveries.
Everyone here is looking for updates from others deliveries and the status of those deliveries.
You are just one order among hundreds of thousands of orders that Tesla gets every quarter, for a car that cost just slightly above what an average new car sells for in 2023. That "You are not that special" is a statement of fact, not a personal attack. Speaking of personal attacks, weren't you the one accusing others of working for Tesla because they were trying to patiently explain to you the concept of mass production?
In any case, just because you yourself can't understand something that has been repeatedly explained by multiple people, doesn't mean the logic is faulty.
scionbox
Member
Sorry to jump in. First of all, very good examples. If @rugox is familiar with the FIFO,COGS,FASB, or the Acme (like John Doe) that finance/accounting folks use, this will be very effective and persuading.
However, you guys are thinking from different perspectives and see the world differently. You are trying to let @rugox see what you see to feel less frustrated but I doubt this will help. Sometime, it is easier for people to vent it out.
Cyclone
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Thanks for sharing your experience. Hmmm, that makes things even more interesting. I guess we will see and I’ll also report back.
Side note: I also created a separate thread about my car’s issues here: Accept or Reject?
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