sleepydoc
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Yet when people complain about the harsh suspension others rationalize it by saying it’s a sports car
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Interesting. Related thoughts. I had a 2008 335i. Outstanding, first experience of “BMW handling”, interior was nice. Driving dynamics incredible. User interface, like all car makers, were not practical to change, and didn’t age well.
I watched my boss go through 3 fuel pumps with his brand new 335i. His car not starting, to get to work, or leave work. I made sure the 335i I bought had the fuel pump recall performed. He got a brand new 550i, went through a few months of idle and start issues dealer couldn’t figure out. I got a class action law suit notice about the inline 6 turbo charger failures (N54? Can’t remember). The steering column had a known failure and recall that made car unoperable, I had to take it in. And the last nail in my BMW coffin, at 42k miles a BMW specialist told me I had a small oil leak near the water pump, and that this was normal by 50k on this model, water pump would have to be pulled. No amount of budgeting or pre-coaching myself about compromises of owning a BMW could shake my Toyota psychology.
I test drove a MYP on rough roads today. I ordered a LR but wanted to make sure it wasn’t the wrong decision. The MYP is noticeably louder and harsher (+5dB, +10dB on hard bumps). My wife said it reminded her of our 335. I’ve done 3 test drives now, LR on 20s, MYP, LR on 20s. I’ve loved auto pilot so far, including cruise control. CC seems better than my Honda Clarity. I know it will do shadow stuff at some point, I’ve felt Clarity do it and it’s decent.
I still can’t shake Toyota psychology, so I’m sure things will bug me about my Tesla. I can’t get on board with German performance cars anymore, they aren’t even appealing (maybe Porsches lol). Beautiful interiors are not worth random super expensive bills for what are said to be the best engineered cars on the planet.
Tesla definitely has some whacky stuff going on with build quality, like paint colors not matching, even now. They also do things no other car can do. Over the air updates are huge. Every car I have ever owned has user interfaces that date quickly and in my 40s I can’t take that anymore.
I watched my boss go through 3 fuel pumps with his brand new 335i. His car not starting, to get to work, or leave work. I made sure the 335i I bought had the fuel pump recall performed. He got a brand new 550i, went through a few months of idle and start issues dealer couldn’t figure out. I got a class action law suit notice about the inline 6 turbo charger failures (N54? Can’t remember). The steering column had a known failure and recall that made car unoperable, I had to take it in. And the last nail in my BMW coffin, at 42k miles a BMW specialist told me I had a small oil leak near the water pump, and that this was normal by 50k on this model, water pump would have to be pulled. No amount of budgeting or pre-coaching myself about compromises of owning a BMW could shake my Toyota psychology.
I test drove a MYP on rough roads today. I ordered a LR but wanted to make sure it wasn’t the wrong decision. The MYP is noticeably louder and harsher (+5dB, +10dB on hard bumps). My wife said it reminded her of our 335. I’ve done 3 test drives now, LR on 20s, MYP, LR on 20s. I’ve loved auto pilot so far, including cruise control. CC seems better than my Honda Clarity. I know it will do shadow stuff at some point, I’ve felt Clarity do it and it’s decent.
I still can’t shake Toyota psychology, so I’m sure things will bug me about my Tesla. I can’t get on board with German performance cars anymore, they aren’t even appealing (maybe Porsches lol). Beautiful interiors are not worth random super expensive bills for what are said to be the best engineered cars on the planet.
Tesla definitely has some whacky stuff going on with build quality, like paint colors not matching, even now. They also do things no other car can do. Over the air updates are huge. Every car I have ever owned has user interfaces that date quickly and in my 40s I can’t take that anymore.
Understood. But this is a more significant change IMO, future proofing and resale. Buying now is buying the last iPhone once the new one is available, maybe you would, I would not. HW4 is already on MS/X so not vaporware, just a matter of time.
Just wondering – why did you pay extra for a keyfob? In my experience, the phone key works very well and, since I almost always have a phone with me, no keyfob is one less thing to carry. Also, apparently the keyfob is less secure than the phone key.
As for some of your other points:
- I feel for you on the paint damage. We have a few chips on our paintwork, but my one comfort is that we took the white at zero extra cost. Having chips on the gorgeous upgrade Quicksilver must hurt.
- If you have it activated, for Europe turn off the speed limit recognition in AP and set the desired speed manually.
- Personally I find that the automatic wipers work well most of the time, but I know many people do not find this so...
- Since you rarely use all of the performance of the MYP, and dislike the ride, perhaps you would have been better off with the MYLR? For the "constrained" driving in Europe, I honestly find our LR plenty fast enough 99.9% of the time... However, maybe when you ordered you could not get the LR from Berlin in Quicksilver.
- Doorhandles – aero is important. For me they are a worthy compromise, never had any scratching of the type that you mention.
- Steering wheel shaking at speed – are your wheels balanced correctly? For what it's worth, I have been over 170 on the autobahn in our MIC LR, and it was rock solid.
- USS – agreed, for tight European roads and spaces no USS is problematic. I'm not unhappy that our LR is old enough to have USS!
I am in personal agreement with all of these observations.
Paint: Worst in the industry
Assembly Quality: Worst in the industry
Sales Experience: Worst I've personally ever had among 5 different brands, with zero communication and several delays.
Suspension: Worst in the industry and in no way sporty. Go drive a Stelvio and see what a sporty SUV feels like.
Interior Noise: Terrible, booming constantly from the poorly secured hatch that I'm supposed to DIY fix. New models have terrible coil-whine sound.
Seats: New material is vastly less durable than older models, with mine looking worn by the time I got home from delivery. Incredibly short bottom cushion is not comfortable for taller people.
Door handles: The aero benefit of these is likely 1-2% max, which most owners would happily trade for not having to explain them to every single passenger.
USS and Pass Lumbar Removal: Shows Tesla only cares about inflating their already huge margins by chasing ever cheaper manufacturing. Guarantee new Model 3 will replace stalks with BS haptic buttons.
Wipers: So bad they feel like they were designed to induce insanity.
Paint: Worst in the industry
Assembly Quality: Worst in the industry
Sales Experience: Worst I've personally ever had among 5 different brands, with zero communication and several delays.
Suspension: Worst in the industry and in no way sporty. Go drive a Stelvio and see what a sporty SUV feels like.
Interior Noise: Terrible, booming constantly from the poorly secured hatch that I'm supposed to DIY fix. New models have terrible coil-whine sound.
Seats: New material is vastly less durable than older models, with mine looking worn by the time I got home from delivery. Incredibly short bottom cushion is not comfortable for taller people.
Door handles: The aero benefit of these is likely 1-2% max, which most owners would happily trade for not having to explain them to every single passenger.
USS and Pass Lumbar Removal: Shows Tesla only cares about inflating their already huge margins by chasing ever cheaper manufacturing. Guarantee new Model 3 will replace stalks with BS haptic buttons.
Wipers: So bad they feel like they were designed to induce insanity.
sleepydoc
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I agree on the door handle design. I ended up purchasing some aftermarket door handle extensions. They’ve worked flawlessly for me and are much easier to use. A bit annoying that you have to fix a design flaw but it’s not expensive or difficult to do.
RPMTesla door handle extensions
I just saw these on RPMTesla. They seem like they would be a nice solution to the Model Y's awkward door handles. Has anyone tried them and what was the experience...
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Seriously?! We comparing ICE car to Tesla? There are hundreds of models of ICE cars. Each of those ICE cars may have 1 feature that is the "Same" as the tesla..as you alluded above, but that is very selective argument to say the car is great and cheaper..... To make the argument you are making...just another clearly false attempt to bring down the Tesla. If cheap car is what you want get a subaru. LMAO. Want to talk pricing compare Tesla to garbage Ford MME that costs more than a MYP (when similarly featured) with less range, less acceleration, less comfort, no chargers, shitty user interface, middle man dealer sleazebags. Please, lets be serious........Really Forester, made this forum???...the horse drawn carriage of modern day does not belong in this discussion.
Lack of Facts: Worst in the forum!
Paint: most automakers cars have tons of issues with paint...especially if you look over each mm for a flaw as us Tesla owners often do. We want perfection.
Assembly: Hardly worst in industry. Actually now some of the best. Its as if you forgot the BIG Three with roof panels falling off, cars accelerating on their own, ohh the many many recalls over the years.
Stelvio SUV: Oh boy.. ok Comparing to which of the Teslas? MYP is a Crossover and costs half the price. The fact that you are comparing it to a 100k car is telling that the 50k Tesla is a great car.
Seats: Vastly less durable? How vastly? like medium or severe vastly? What does that mean? You tested 1000 cars against 1000 MME's or comparable(at least they think they are) autos and the other similar category cars were perfect and Teslas all had no seat covers left? My MYP is in perfect condition...but I would be afraid of a shitty Big Three auto when it comes to quality...based on their history(Fact).
Passenger Lumbar Removal: Most cars in that price point dont have passenger lumbar...and I dont think its inhibiting your ability to drive..definitely to complain. Also less weight faster car less battery usage.
Only thing I agree with is the wipers. They do cause insanity. Not sure why they turn on on a sunny day. Maybe just Elon f@#$g with us.
sleepydoc
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Seriously? Are you saying Tesla should get a pass on features unrelated to the drivetrain simply because It’s an EV?
Hope you feel better now. I know it can be scary when those "critical thinking thoughts" start sneaking in. I'm glad you're satisfied with your vehicle, but that in no way makes any of these criticisms invalid.
Regarding your comment on Tesla's paint, if you have to say anything to the effect of "all manufacturers blah blah blah", you've already lost the plot. Tesla's paint is poorly applied and some of the softest you can get. Our new, 2023 vehicle was delivered with more scratches and swirls than the Kia I bought ten years ago and driving it 300 miles home from the service center, found a half dozen large chips on the rear quarter panels. The condition was so bad getting it home, that I cancelled paint correction with my local detailer because I just don't even care now. Worst in the industry.
Said new vehicle required all doors to be aligned, save for the hood and rear passenger door. No other manufacturer currently operating would deliver a vehicle in this state. Again, quoting vague "other manufacturers" BS.
I didn't say Stelvio QV. I said Stelvio, which can be had nicely equipped for 45-55K, which makes it price-comparable to the Model Y. Stelvio is also a crossover, making your ignorance truly impressive here. Keep it up!
Seats: Again quoting "Big Three" delusion, but here you go. These are what the seats on my $55K vehicle look like after 350 miles:
Lumbar: We owned a Model Y before the lumbar removal and now after. They didn't redesign the seat to firm up the lumbar area. They just yanked it out, leaving a hollow feeling passenger seat that is very uncomfortable on long rides. But yes, I'm sure the .7 lbs they saved is a HUGE help to range on your 4600 lbs. vehicle so all is forgiven.
Clearly you are upset you got a bad car(that part is understandable). No need to name call but each to how they were raised.
I was simply asking you where you got your data for stating VASTLY bad anything. You answered it:
You have a statistical value N=1 for your broad generalizations: Your car.
Anything else is just your opinion rather than actual facts, meant to get people to see Tesla in a bad light because YOU are not happy. This is about YOU and that is ok friend....But its not about Tesla.
Sorry you got a bad car. Should have reject it it and gotten another. Or get a MME. Sounds like you got a model that went through a storm..perhaps on the train? And if the Lumbar was such a deal breaker you should stick to the KIA like you had before. Vastly superior auto, I am sure your back will bask in lumbar heaven. It would have been nice to have pass lumbar on the MYP but if they decided it was not a deal breaker for the customer, which they were right cause you still bought the car, then its a business decision. Probably a statistically good one.
Have a nice day, and hopefully you will find a car with Hard, Thick paint and passenger lumbar support! I just want them to fix the wipers.
sleepydoc
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It’s very possible s/he got a car with a bad paint job. Paint is difficult to get right and if one of the parameters were off the day his car was painted it could explain the issues. Not acceptable but it also doesn’t automatically mean it’s a systemic issue. I haven’t seen rampant complaints about paint issues here on TMC (the most common complaint I’ve seen is the paint on plastic parts not matching perfectly.)
As far as fit and finish, Tesla has become notorious for its poor assembly quality. Maybe it’s improving but at this point the onus is on the person arguing against the fact, not for.
Suspension is also notoriously bad. When your teenagers complain how poorly the car rides you know its bad. Getting the suspension right on a 5000 pound car isn’t easy, but other manufacturers have done it so it can be done.
Sales experience - this is highly variable but there are no shortage of complaints about the lack of service at the Tesla ‘service’ centers. One of the theoretical advantages of Tesla is they don’t use the dealership model. It appears the downside of that is that there’s no incentive for the people at the service center to go out of their way to get things right. Some believe it’s due to pressures from Tesla corporate to meet delivery goals and lack of support. Whatever the reason, this is an area that Tesla needs to step up its game. When paying $50-100k for a car it’s reasonable to expect better service than Walmart.
The keyfob is mostly for using the frunk and for not ever having to use that Tesla key card.
I use the frunk all the time. Easy access for groceries with no need for them being in a bag. Super convenient. Also I only do reverse parking now because no USS. The trunk is not accessible most of the times.
And the keyfob allows me to just get in and drive when my phone is dead or bluetooth is off. I really hate those cards, having to place them in the middle of the console for driving.
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sleepydoc
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Yeah, it's really designed to have your phone as the primary key with the keycard as a backup. Do you have that many issues with your phone that you need a key fob, though?
For the times I need to open the trunk I either use my phone or my watch. I agree, a key fob can be a bit more convenient for that, though.
Time to sell it and buy a Genesis GV60. I have none of your issues with mine by the way.
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