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I purchased a Model Y Long Range (white, white interior, 19 inch wheels) on January 21, 2023. I agree with most of your review with one significant exception. I have owned a BMW 3 Series, 5 MBs, and a 911, and I still own a MB GLK 350. My opinion is that the Tesla Model Y is simply NOT a luxury vehicle and should not be viewed a one (or compared to one). If you are expecting a luxury vehicle (and especially if you have owned a luxury vehicle) you will be disappointed. The Model Y is an advanced Electric Vehicle (high performance/efficiency), and is a significant departure from traditional automotive design. The doors and hatches appear "light" because they are light to increase efficiency. The long range model Y is 4386 lbs., the BMW iX is 5707 lbs. The interior is spartan and noise insulation is minimal to keep cost down. The ride is somewhat rough because they use "EV" tires that have a very low rolling resistance (stiff sidewalls, hard tread, high pressure). These are the compromises that are made to produce an affordable advanced EV.
I'm unfamiliar with the "pricing" in the Netherlands, but I only paid $54,990 for my Long Range Model Y (not including sales tax). With the US Federal tax credit of $7,500 and the Colorado State tax credit of $2.,000 the vehicle only cost me $45,490. It's only a US perspective but for under $46K it is the best option on the market today. The BMW iX (similar interior dimensions to the model Y) is a true luxury vehicle, but it is near $100K and does not get the US Federal tax credit. You get what you pay for.
BUT......for people considering buying a Model Y, be aware it has many faults. After two months of ownership here's my perspective:
Pros: Price, Range, Acceleration, Handling, Mature EV technology, Experienced Service Staff (this does not equate to a quality service experience, just that they know what they are doing), Interior Space, Rear legroom, Heat pump, Blind spot camera, Tesla App., Free online service/parts manuals (for those so inclined). Tesla has recently opened up their charging network to non Tesla vehicles so this is no longer a differentiator.
Cons: Low Frequency (Booming) Noise (This can be reduced with "significant" DIY tasks - see related posts. Without the DIY fixes this car is unacceptable), Road Noise (minor DIY fixes are available), VERY poor build quality (this can be addressed through service calls, but typically requires escalation through service management, i.e. do not expect a quality service experience and I blame this on management not the service techs), Stiff Ride, Excessive use of the touch screen, Glass roof is hot and increases interior noise, No blind spot alert, No cross traffic alert, No parking distance alert, No birds eye view, No driver display, No Apple car play, Non perforated seats, small steering wheel, poor turning radius, Erratic rain sensor wipers, Poor windshield spray (short burst only), Extremely small rear window, Poor window switches placement on driver door (you hit them every time to grab the door handle and accidentally open a window), Moderate rattles, Mediocre interior materials, Stock All Season Radials are not good in the snow.
This is a long list of Cons, but again, the Model Y is NOT a luxury vehicle. For $46K I'm very satisfied with mine. However, if it were not for the $9,500 of tax credits, I would have chosen the Hyundai Ionic 5 or the Kia EV 6 (quieter, better built, more features). If VW (ID.4) could improve their range (especially cold weather) and their acceleration without increasing the price, it would also be a better choice. I can't buy a ford, I've already sued them once.
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sleepydoc
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Yeah - I've upgrade the suspension and just purchased new tires (19" Vredestein's, I didn't switch to 18" wheels.) I've also dropped the pressure to 38 PSI. I still can't drink my coffee on the way to work because the car is bouncing around so much and riding so rough. Last week my wife was sitting in the back seat and commented that the ride was horrible.
I hear what you say about the acceleration, but it's frustrating when I see posts from people who've test driven the MME, Genesis, etc that have acceleration that's at least comparable yet still manage to have much better rides.
While the OP is entitled to his/her opinion, it's very clear there are more happy customers than disappointed. The OP prefers BMWs and gives good reasons as to why, and that's just fine. More people choose Teslas over all other options year after year so far, and the "hype" is not confined to "fanboys." All opinions above are anecdotal.
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I recently purchased a new MYP and now have just over 5,000 miles on it and I have experienced NONE of the issues others complain about on this thread. The only real complaint I have is the lack of controls for the rear seat heaters and HVAC. in fact my family likes the car so much we plan to buy another Tesla for my wife as soon as possible.
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sleepydoc
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One needs to be careful with the diagram @nate704 posted. Sales volume and market share are the result of multiple factors. Just because a particular model has sold the most doesn't automatically mean it's the best. Years ago Ford kept touting that the Taurus was the best selling sedan in the U.S. What they didn't say was that a major portion of the sales were fleet sales to corporations and rental car companies. without those numbers propping it up the Taurus fell significantly. Applebee's sells more steaks than Ruth's Chris but I don't think anyone would say their steaks are better.
Tesla was in a much better position than any other carmaker last year and not surprisingly sold the most cars. Even another car, say Polestar for example, was better, they didn't have the supply, manufacturing and delivery systems in place to put up the same numbers Tesla did.
Having said that, even with its flaws the Model Y is one of, if not the best EVs on the market, IMO. Tesla is experiencing growing pains from the need to scale quickly and we've seen the results of that. Fortunately for Tesla, they've been in a position both from a reputation and a market position standpoint to weather those issues. My hope is they can work them out and continue to improve on what they have.
Tesla was in a much better position than any other carmaker last year and not surprisingly sold the most cars. Even another car, say Polestar for example, was better, they didn't have the supply, manufacturing and delivery systems in place to put up the same numbers Tesla did.
Having said that, even with its flaws the Model Y is one of, if not the best EVs on the market, IMO. Tesla is experiencing growing pains from the need to scale quickly and we've seen the results of that. Fortunately for Tesla, they've been in a position both from a reputation and a market position standpoint to weather those issues. My hope is they can work them out and continue to improve on what they have.
Wattsisname
MY Red/White/Gems
With huge price cut and higher profit margin, Tesla will continue pressure other automakers who still lose a lot money by selling their cars can have big impact on the EV markets in the future.
If Tesla focuses on the cheaper EV models and mass produce them with lower price point than others, I am not sure if other automakers can sustain that negative margin for long.
If Tesla focuses on the cheaper EV models and mass produce them with lower price point than others, I am not sure if other automakers can sustain that negative margin for long.
Every other automaker is suffering for having laughed off Tesla years ago. They made some smart moves building out the supercharger network, which I cant stress enough how much that makes up with other shortcomings that Tesla customers have to indure. They are ahead in battery tech, and they arent having to "fake it until they make it" so much like the legacy automakers do. Ford with the Mach-E is basically buying turn-key solutions from parts suppliers to say they have an EV. They just cant compete this way when Tesla pushes for in-house as much as possible. I agree that the profit margins and dominant lead are Tesla's to lose, and if they can stay ahead and keep innovating, are going to have a bright future, Elon or not (where the hell is our USS sensor tech replacement?!)
Maybe Tesla can buy General Motors or Ford and get some of their manufacturing / build quality expertise involved. This includes the paint, which stuns me how bad it is , and I've owned some Subaru's with paint that was more a suggestion than an actual layer of protection..
Anyway, sorry to go off topic, but I think the Model Y is a great car more for the "system" that Tesla sells, rather than the Vehicle itself.
Maybe Tesla can buy General Motors or Ford and get some of their manufacturing / build quality expertise involved. This includes the paint, which stuns me how bad it is , and I've owned some Subaru's with paint that was more a suggestion than an actual layer of protection..
Anyway, sorry to go off topic, but I think the Model Y is a great car more for the "system" that Tesla sells, rather than the Vehicle itself.
Tesla paint is no worse than GM or Ford. I noticed in my paint a lot of dust nibs. There is one spot on the driver door that has a small paint run that can’t be seen unless your up close. I chose to leave it alone rather having them repaint the door which could be worse and not match. I have the blue.
I cant agree. I have a corvette that sits next to my Y and absolutely the clear coat depth is not there, and there are imperfections under the paint. Chips on a month old car down to where it shows white (on a blue car) that other GM (or subaru, etc) cars never had. The corvette is 5 years old, the Y is a month old
Maybe corvettes are different from others by my 2018 Tahoe was horrendous. Dust nibs, drips and clear coat started to fail after 3 years and it was hand washed all the time. Not to mentioned the crap transmission and lifters. But that’s for another thread
They do have rear seat controls just open the climate menu and select rear. You can allways add S3xy buttons if you need physical controls… Unf I bought the buttons and never use em now.
Yeah I’m aware of the controls for the rear climate from the front seat on the main screen, but I was talking about controls for the rear seat passengers to use for their seating position. I looked at the S3XY buttons and the add on touch screens for the rear seat but I don’t want to muss around with it. Guess I’ll just bare it…like I said, it’s the only thing I’d change at this point.
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Sorry to derail this thread but this is absolutely fascinating to me, the two I highlighted especially and it really shows how much individual driver preference really supersedes all else.
I owned both these cars as well and I did not like the S2000. Whereas my E92 M3 was in my top 3 easily. The main complaint I had about the S2000 was you had to drive it like you stole it / hated it. That ridiculously high RPM range to get any power out of it made it somewhat comical. You had this almost Ferrari like buzz coming out of the car like a swarm of angry hornets but only to put out 240BHP. :-/ You have this Ferrari like sound screaming out of the engine, but an anemic Ferrari only firing on 1/2 its cylinders and going nowhere fast.
Whereas you could get 400+ horses out of the M3 effortlessly. 'One man's trash is another man's treasure' and all that, innit? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯more like $40k higher now!Correct me if I'm wrong, but price-wise speaking, aren't BMW electric SUVs in a different (higher) segment – like a good $20k+ difference? Which is why it makes sense for most people choosing Model Y to feel very okay compromising on some of the build quality type things? Basically I'm not sure if this is apples to apples comparison
GM and Ford for Quality??? LOL No Thanks!
Tesla should buy Lucid.
all my family are GM engineers, my dad retired from the proving grounds. The amount of testing is unreal. GM is leaps and bounds better than some of the crap europe is putting out lately. Japanese car makers arent the golden children they were in the 90's and 2000's. The Mach-E has way better build quality than a tesla. I'm not talking tech, but overall build quality like paint, panel gaps, etc. Tesla destroys everyone in pure tech.
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