dhrivnak
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But you also received $3750, more in a tax credit so it seems you are really still ahead.Yeah. I’m not paying them MORE money when my same car is $3500 cheaper than I bought it for six months ago.
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But you also received $3750, more in a tax credit so it seems you are really still ahead.Yeah. I’m not paying them MORE money when my same car is $3500 cheaper than I bought it for six months ago.
Yeah. And a few years ago he announced that all cars already have the hardware required for full self-driving. And in the next earnings call he might announce "our brilliant engineers have determined that the self-driving functions can be delivered on the existing hardware, no upgrades necessary" and poof, there goes your retrofit. None of this is a contractual obligation, even if the disclaimer I quoted above didn't exist. Sorry to say, but you are extremely gullible. Still hope you get something for your money.And anyone who paid for self-driving option, will just get it done for free.
I find it comical to see the number of people who make comments about tweets and conference calls being binding contracts. As someone who has spent the last 20 years of my career dealing with contract law I can assure you that these comments are complete nonsense. The prevailing paragraph that will have final authority over conflicts between written statements in the purchase agreements and oral tweets
Governing Law; Integration; Assignment. The terms of this Agreement are governed by, and to be interpreted according to, the laws of the State in which we are licensed to sell motor vehicles that is nearest to your address indicated on your Vehicle Configuration. Prior agreements, oral statements, negotiations, communications or representations about the Vehicle sold under this Agreement are superseded by this Agreement. Terms relating to the purchase not expressly contained herein are not binding. We may assign this Agreement at our discretion to one of our affiliated entities.
There continue to be a few posters who ignore all of the conflicting information
"I think people are crazy if they buy FSD for an additional 2k. "
"I purchased"
-OP
I was ambivalent until I made 2 calls to Tesla today. Spoke with a guy in SLC named Cody. The call blew me away -- now there is zero chance I will shell out another $2k to Tesla. First, Cody said he had no information that buying FSD would involve HW3. I asked him about Elon's tweet, etc, and he said that his managers have told him there is no expectation of HW3. He said it is possible, but it is very uncertain. Kudos for his honesty, but really, would anyone spend $2K for some vague set of promises that are not in writing. Remember, those of us who purchased EAP were told it will be cheaper to purchase at the point of sale that upgrade later. Second, I asked him why my neighbor, who I referred to purchase her car, is getting the equivalent for EAP+FSD for $5000. This or course hurts given that I was told that I would pay less. His explanation: it cost less to send a full software update to my neighbor, then to do a piecemeal update to my car with EAP. Talk about crazy explanations. All I can say is that Tesla is digging there own grave with responses like this. I have sadly already dissuaded two friends from purchasing a Tesla. Just too much uncertainty and smoke and mirrors.
That's the vehicle purchase agreement. You can tell because it says "about the vehicle sold under this Agreement"
It has nothing whatsoever to do with buying FSD after the fact- and no such disclaimer appears when making that purchase.
I see. So now you are changing your position to suggest that those of us who purchased FSD with the vehicle are subject to a different set of legal terms and conditions than those of us who purchased FSD as an add on?
I for one have no trust that the car will stop for lights or signs 100% of the time and if it's not 100%, I won't use it.
After testing NAV and summon it's clear the current hardware (sensors not computer) are not suitable for "FSD" and there is 0.1% chance Tesla will swap those so it's clear [to me] this doesn't seem worth it [for me].
Nothing in this life is 100% except for the certainty of death at some point. Even automatic traffic signals, something that should be very simple to implement, occasionally show green to all directions. The standard of FSD is that it will be considerably safer than the average human driver. But due to distracted driving, brain farts, medical issues and general daydreaming, that is a very low hurdle to cross. Which is why, even when FSD passes regulatory approval, I'll be in the driver's seat watching over it like I currently do in the passenger seat when someone else is driving. I'll feel a lot safer having access to all the controls. This combo of computer driving with me observing will be even more safe than a fully attentive professional driver. Look what happened to Princess Diana, a case of poor human judgement of an expert driver.
See what you did there? You took the three legs of self-driving (sensors, computer and software)) and completely ignored the most important one, the one that is rapidly improving, software. There is no evidence the sensors are not up to the task (and Musk believes they are). Who knows more about this? Granted, Musk himself has admitted that an upgraded computer will be easier to develop software for. And that is exactly what you get if you buy FSD today.
Right, in my professional opinion based off my experience both in software/hardware and using the existing product tells me what they have installed on the cars is not enough.
The professional opinion of many many smart people in the autonomous vehicle space (Every single company one except Telsa) feels the sensors Tesla has is not enough.
If you read the Tesla specs there are clear blind spots by the cameras and you can't have a real FSD vehicle that can't see certain areas.
Hell, just the other day my car refused to go into AP because it was raining. No software is going to fix that.
Yeah. And a few years ago he announced that all cars already have the hardware required for full self-driving. And in the next earnings call he might announce "our brilliant engineers have determined that the self-driving functions can be delivered on the existing hardware, no upgrades necessary" and poof, there goes your retrofit. None of this is a contractual obligation, even if the disclaimer I quoted above didn't exist. Sorry to say, but you are extremely gullible. Still hope you get something for your money.
Right, in my professional opinion based off my experience both in software/hardware and using the existing product tells me what they have installed on the cars is not enough. The professional opinion of many many smart people in the autonomous vehicle space (Every single company one except Telsa) feels the sensors Tesla has is not enough. If you read the Tesla specs there are clear blind spots by the cameras and you can't have a real FSD vehicle that can't see certain areas. Hell, just the other day my car refused to go into AP because it was raining. No software is going to fix that.
So you're saying that Elon is a Class A Liar?
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Would that personally offend you?So you're saying that Elon is a Class A Liar?
remember when he said FSD will cost more money if you buy it later and then lowered prices so the people who waited actually ended up paying less?