Not when I turn over complete control of the vehicle. We can certainly play games with this but I'm pretty sure when they start selling this as complete, things will change. The only reason Tesla has not lost big time in previous lawsuits for accidents while using advance AP features is that software clearly states it's a "beta" version and you agree to take liability if something goes wrong. I guess they can release it if they offer the subscription model as a "beta version" with the previous buttons agreeing to your liability. Can they just sell this this way forever?
But then what role do you play in a robo taxi business model? I know you said you are not a big believer, but imagine if it were to happen, what reason Tesla would have to guarantee the liability costs would be covered, but still let you reap the rewards for essentially zero risk. Even if the car could "only" net $50 per day, the break even point would be less than 3 years. So, you are essentially taking no risk to get a great reward (a free car and daily cash flow). The only downside is perhaps you would have to clean up after all the messy passengers. A much smarter plan in this case, if the tech (and legislation) were present, would just be to cut you out and go straight to what Uber is trying to do. If Tesla assumes all the liability for incidents while operating in FSD, then those costs are just going to be passed on to consumers, which is in direct conflict with the whole mission of accelerating sustainable transportation.
This will not be an issue, because FSD wide release is not a self driving car and is ADAS. And Tesla has no plans to launch something other than ADAS in the coming years
I'm sorry, I must have missed the point where I mentioned timelines. This could be 100 years in the future for all I know. But looking at the current trends, it is fairly obvious this is a when, not an if, and is worth discussing. Debating timelines is a fairly pointless game of hypotheticals, so I won't enter that arena. Elon has been very clear in stating his plans for changing the paradigm of car ownership. He does operate on a very unrealistic schedule, but one day it will happen.
I agree -- waay too low.
My WAG is that rental will be 3-4x the cost of purchase.
If purchase is 10k USD for 15 year car lifetime the monthly is ~ $55. Rental would then be ~ $200 a month.
I personally am not an FSD fan for my routine driving but I would happily pay $200 to have AP on an extended road trip.
The only problem with a 15 year timeline is assuming the average person keeps their car for 15 years, a big assumption since only 7.5% of people fall into this category:
source. Lets be generous and say the average goes to 8 years as EV's are perhaps more reliable. Now that number is roughly $400 a month. Even on a massive road trip, I would hesitate to spend this. If I go on a roadtrip, usually I am okay with driving, and all new Tesla's have basic AP already. So in terms of problem solving, is driving your sleek electric sports car really a $400 a month problem to you? Personally I love driving it, and FSD's main appeal lies in the future where it can drive with me asleep or perhaps not even in the car at all. Until then, it's really just a cool tech demo with limited value. I don't think I'm alone in this thought, and I can't imagine many people lining up to pay hundreds of dollars a month for the current offerings. The pain point isn't there.
