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Elon, Where is the FSD features you promised?

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Your analysis of AP2 does not seem accurate to many, nevermind AP1.

Perhaps you live in an area where AP2 works better than average.

I don't think so - the AP2 well documented issues were present from 17.17.4 in my car (more wobbly than now, "8 bit turns" + ghost braking) - but they've steadily gotten better with subsequent releases. As for the ultrasonics - those have been better than AP1 from the beginning in my car. I'll do some video over the next week and post it on both cars - we'll see if my impressions are wrong. Take some on your car of the ultrasonics - very curious to compare.

...seems the AP1 folks only consider a photo or video as "proof" of an AP2 problem.

I think I'm the only one on this thread asking for photos / video - so I'll assume that was meant for me - don't put words in my mouth man. I asked for video - perfectly reasonable request. Don't poop on someone's request of documentation - you poison the atmosphere with that attitude. You can't be pleased - somebody shows some photos and I go "wow that looks bad" - and you still find a way to criticize the person asking for evidence. C'mon dude. . .

With AP2, I never feel even remotely confident that the car won't randomly swerve somewhere when it detects a mosquito or a sign or an overhanging tree limb. Yes, it's almost totally random activity at this juncture.

Are you talking local roads only or also freeways your car is randomly swerving around?
 
think I'm the only one on this thread asking for photos / video - so I'll assume that was meant for me - don't put words in my mouth man. I asked for video - perfectly reasonable request.

The request for video is perfectly reasonable. I guess some of us disagree with you dismissing quite a bit of verbal evidence, though. For me is surprising you heard of the lane hugging so late, for example. Was common talk on this forum many moons ago already...

Are you talking local roads only or also freeways your car is randomly swerving around?

My story some posts up of AP2 previous to last update swerving towards concrete blocks on the side of the road was on freeway, though with roadworks.
 
Well if they go down that route, that's kinda / sorta cheating, as Elon has said in calls / presentations since then it doesn't really have to be LA -> NY, he said the could say dynically change it along the way and decide to go from LA -> TX let's say. If they preprogram it for a route and conditions, it's going to be the same B.S. marketing ploy that the FSD on the website is about 265 disconnects.

Well, yes, my suggestion certainly is based on Tesla's history.
 
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But sure enough, AP2 starts turning alongside this sort of diagonal line! Straight towards those concrete blocks lining the lane on the right side! I mean - it stopped following beautiful, solid while lines on both sides of the lane and chose to start following a dark, partial twist in the middle of the lane into concrete obstacles. An absolutely insane decision from the EAP that just shows how limited its ability at the moment is... even if those road markings had not made sense, there was a huge wall of concrete right next to the lane it wanted to turn into, instead of that beautiful free air straight ahead.
There's a stretch of highway that's been under construction for a number of months. I was always impressed that AP was able to negotiate it with the temporary construction lines and the old lines blacked out. But with 17.26.76 and now with 17.28.c that has ended. It will follow the black lines now and depart from following the white lines.

IMHO, performance overall has decreased since 17.17.4. My confidence in the system is certainly lower. Curve handling is better, but the lane following is worse and ghost braking is back when it was virtually gone in 17.17.4. And actually, 17.17.4 navigated a curve that I test with each version that 176.28.c can't. Sometimes it does, but it haltingly brakes going into and through it.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it just doesn't seem like they're progressing. They did for a while up until 17.17.4 but since then it's really been sideways in my opinion. I used to use AP all the time; it was almost muscle memory to turn it on. Now I don't even use it unless I want to take a drink of water or something. I feel like it's more likely to steer me wrong than it is to rescue me from the consequences of inattention on my part.

I think it's possible they'll someday deliver what they sell on their website. I've included that below (BTW, it should be rewritten to "subject to actually developing these features and regulatory approval." but that's for a different thread. In the meantime, I really like my car and would get another one, but the AP thing has become sort of ridiculous. I remember when I ordered in November thinking that I would really be able to get on the highway in Chicago and have the thing drive until I got off the highway in Kenosha. I thought March was too optimistic, but August would be totally reasonable. In the words of Yogi Berra: "It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future."

From today's Tesla Autopilot website:
Enhanced Autopilot adds these new capabilities to the Tesla Autopilot driving experience. Your Tesla will match speed to traffic conditions, keep within a lane, automatically change lanes without requiring driver input, transition from one freeway to another, exit the freeway when your destination is near, self-park when near a parking spot and be summoned to and from your garage.

Tesla’s Enhanced Autopilot software has begun rolling out and features will continue to be introduced as validation is completed, subject to regulatory approval.​
 
I agree with the YouTube videos. Many times it performs admirably. However it utterly fails often enough for it to be barely useful.
There's just not that many youTube videos that are reflective of the current software build.

I see people here continue to repeat that AP2 doesn't recognize speed signs. Clearly it does. But the drum beat continues. And I get it. People are fairly disappointed that it isn't further along than it is, so they are here to complain a bit. Any positive opinion from someone like me (and I remain delighted about it, but that's another story) is dismissed.

Maybe it's the software engineer in me who is looking at what has been accomplished and is mentally applauding the engineers when I drive. Many of us here on this forum have experienced the repeated late nights, the frustration at not knowing where a memory error is coming from, management pressure, the joy of success. Drives that I repeat on a regular basis (60+ miles to Portland and back, for instance) get better and better. Mistakes that were made before aren't repeated. And when I find a bug (and sure, I find some), I send a bug report.

It doesn't make me right & you wrong. We all look at life through different lenses. Again, I repeat that I understand why a group here is frustrated. But I'm not.

(And fyi, 17.26.76 improved for me. And before someone claims again that 'it's just California roads', I don't live in California. I'm in the Pacific Northwest. Bigfoot country. :) )
 
I see people here continue to repeat that AP2 doesn't recognize speed signs. Clearly it does.

It does??? I've never once seen it do that.

I've driven AP1 loaner cars and they very obviously do that. Yet my AP2 will blithely drive past a 100 kph sign and ignore it, continuing to think the highway is still on the old pre-reconstruction 80 kph limit. In fact it will drive past half a dozen of them without recognizing them.
 
It does??? I've never once seen it do that.

I've driven AP1 loaner cars and they very obviously do that. Yet my AP2 will blithely drive past a 100 kph sign and ignore it, continuing to think the highway is still on the old pre-reconstruction 80 kph limit. In fact it will drive past half a dozen of them without recognizing them.
I was sure it did - and then saw posts that said it didn't. So I paid close attention. It can't possibly be 'just lucky' or really accurate geo info ... because I have watched repeatedly as the speed shows as 55 ... 55 ... and boom, I pass the sign and it's 65 as it should be. Right on the money. Again and again. On my non-California windy mountain roads and open freeways.

edit: Perhaps a good test would be to have an accomplice cover a speed sign, drive past ... and then uncover and drive past. But local law enforcement would likely frown upon that activity. :)
 
That's actually promising that it has this level of attention.

Or maybe it is worrying that he has to be that involved with it. Great as Elon, he is not an AI specialist nor a super programmer that is actually going to make a difference in the actual implementation. So what is he spending time on? Like one of the most negative interpretations could be that the autopilot team is not happy with releasing certain stuff because it simply is not yet fool-proof enough and Elon is mostly there to override their judgment because he needs features on the market sooner rather than later. When Chris Lattner left, that's something you could read between the lines in his (deleted) debriefing in his CV update.
 
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I was sure it did - and then saw posts that said it didn't. So I paid close attention. It can't possibly be 'just lucky' or really accurate geo info ... because I have watched repeatedly as the speed shows as 55 ... 55 ... and boom, I pass the sign and it's 65 as it should be. Right on the money. Again and again. On my non-California windy mountain roads and open freeways.

edit: Perhaps a good test would be to have an accomplice cover a speed sign, drive past ... and then uncover and drive past. But local law enforcement would likely frown upon that activity. :)

No, it most definitely does not read speed limit signs, it's GPS based on tom/tom database.
 
AP2 definitely does NOT read MPH signs. My daily commute has a 9 mile section with the new electronic MPH signs that change with traffic and accidents. My AP1 car would read them absolutely perfectly from 25 - 65 Mph (minimum maximum they would change to). AP2 will only report 55mph on the entire stretch. Also the same delay when passing MPH signs is still present as in the first iteration of AP in AP2. Definitely is NOT reading MPH signs. At least not anywhere in the Atlanta GA are.
 
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I was just out running an errand. Here it showing speed limit 20 but then I pass clearly a 25 MPH sign and it still shows 20.
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There's a stretch of highway that's been under construction for a number of months. I was always impressed that AP was able to negotiate it with the temporary construction lines and the old lines blacked out. But with 17.26.76 and now with 17.28.c that has ended. It will follow the black lines now and depart from following the white lines.

Excellent! Finally someone with an AP2 car in just the neck of the woods I am temporarily - heading into Chicago next week for a haircut - I'll test out these zones you're mentioning with some dash cam video. Will make for a fun day off from business. What's that stretch of highway?

...actually, 17.17.4 navigated a curve that I test with each version that 176.28.c can't. Sometimes it does, but it haltingly brakes going into and through it.

I remember when I ordered in November thinking that I would really be able to get on the highway in Chicago and have the thing drive until I got off the highway in Kenosha.

This is awesome - instead of heading straight back to Madison I'll go north through Kenosha first, film the whole thing and we'll see how it goes. If there are any particular trouble spots on that road I should make note of let us know.
 
Excellent! Finally someone with an AP2 car in just the neck of the woods I am temporarily - heading into Chicago next week for a haircut - I'll test out these zones you're mentioning with some dash cam video. Will make for a fun day off from business. What's that stretch of highway?
The construction starts when the Kennedy starts going inbound. So just after the tollbooth at the end of the Northwest Tollway. I'll see if I can get some video on the way home.
This is awesome - instead of heading straight back to Madison I'll go north through Kenosha first, film the whole thing and we'll see how it goes. If there are any particular trouble spots on that road I should make note of let us know.
I just drove it last weekend, and the Edens spur is like most exit ramps where it doesn't like to follow the exit but go straight. There is construction just before going into Kenosha and I remember it losing it there. What I meant too though, was that I thought by August it would handle all the interchanges automatically, etc. It's obviously not going to do that.:D
 
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