Reciprocity
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EAP is awesome. I use it every day. FSD is not EAP. Completely different solutions.
Edit: Wait you are not under the assumption that EAP is just the first version of FSD?
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EAP is awesome. I use it every day. FSD is not EAP. Completely different solutions.
Edit: Wait you are not under the assumption that EAP is just the first version of FSD?
stopcrazypp
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This is not quite correct. The funds are not put in escrow, so Tesla does get to use the money. However, accounting-wise it's not recognized revenue until Tesla actually delivers.
Reciprocity
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I would look for mostly empty Teslas in GA and TN then. Tesla must be testing somewhere that doesnt require any reporting.
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Maybe you guess too much ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. That’s a problem.
Reciprocity
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I didnt say Escrow. I said a reserve account. Its an account with the word Reserve in it. Accounting rules say you cannot take it out of that account to use it to buy stuff. If they did, they could have some issues with auditors.
Reciprocity
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Have you read this thread? I think there are a lot of people pulling stuff out their rears The difference is, I admit I dont know for a fact where Tesla is today with FSD. If I dont know, I dont make it up and say they dont have anything. I can only go on what Tesla and Elon have said, if they are lying then shame on them, they will have to pay the piper at some point. Maybe someone will file a suit. I mean $3000 is a lot of money, though it wouldnt even pay the retainer.
stopcrazypp
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I'm not an accountant, but from a quick search, there are no legal restrictions on what the funds in a reserve account can be used for.
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Reciprocity
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No, you will not go to jail if you use that money, you are correct. That is not the only negative thing that can happen to a company.
stopcrazypp
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What consequences are you talking about? From reading that article, a reserve account is designed to set aside money for a specific use, not to set aside money to just sit there (like an escrow). For example, it would make sense to use the FSD funds in the development of FSD. This is different from the money being just put into an account and not touched at all, as you claim. We also have to separate the actual cash itself, and the "account" as an accounting concept.
Um... just phrase it correctly.
The wipers don't work in the rain or such? I guess lemon law might have provisions for things that are broken but vendor just refuses to fix too?
Some people have monocular vision for whatever reason. I am one of them, I still can drive
I still have "stereo" vision (in the sense that I can feel depth because as my head is moved the perspective changes and the brain knows how to deal with this.
This is apparently called wiggle stereography.
Yes sir, you are relying on "motion parallax" which is possible with monocular vision. Your brain compensates. This is how a pigeon gauges depth, by bobbing their head since the two eyes do not share a field of view for utilizing regular (aka binocular) parallax. Your brain has probably adapted to be superior to mine in that regard.
Tesla will be body slammed to the tune of $300M-$500M over this, rest assured.
GM’s Robocar Service Drives Employees Around SF for Free
Not just a video. Tesla should feel humiliated, but they don't because they neo-ponzi'd a ton of cash. If Tesla could drive people around, they'd be doing it in tests like Waymo and GM. But my guess is Tesla has no chance of ever getting it to work in HW2 cars. The lack of progress in EAP is astonishing.
Correct. I doubt EAP, FSD, Summon, FCW, auto wipers, auto headlights, blind spot will ever work as advertised. Get ready to bend over Tesla.
Exactly and like with incomplete EAP on AP2, Tesla will release something partial that they will call the beginning of FSD and recognize the revenue.
A few rabble-rousers? Start counting. Tesla shouldn't be selling something they have no idea of when they can deliver. There are a lot of people in that boat my man. And as far as filing complaints, do your research. They're out there and going through the process. Lawsuits are next as time works against Tesla here. They're starting to be held accountable outside the US as well with a recent case about BS'ing customers going the distance and them having to settle. Tesla settles Norway lawsuit over car's performance
1. You just made the case that AI is pretty friggin' stupid
2. Snapping fingers may be all the sector, with the highest market cap, has to do
Out of the financial crisis came the term "Regulatory Capture". I think there's enough reason to be concerned about how NHTSA and our endowed technology sector might equally tout "40% safer".
NHTSA faces Lawsuit over Autopilot Claim (this claim is challenged, in many places on the net)
I think Elon's got quite a business mating the technological advantage of AP, with those willing to assume the final responsibility that is "beta". Autopilot already is my "FSD", for when I don't want to drive. I'd give the rest years, not months.
Some people have monocular vision for whatever reason. I am one of them, I still can drive
FWIW, one of my colleagues is the same and know that to be true of course. But even people with monocular vision can (usually) for example move their head and wipe windows clean. They also usually have great technical knowledge about Autopilot.
EAP is not yet even released. What we have is something akin to 75% AP1 parity on AP HW2, there are no EAP features. So, no, I don't think what we have is EAP, let alone first version of FSD.
I do think the first version of FSD will actually very likely be the first EAP we will get (consider full EAP requires quite a bit more), but it is possible they will continue advancing the AP1 parity branch towards that as well. We shall see how they treat these two code branches (the current AP1 parity "EAP" and the full monty FSD).
My point is: Regulations are not stopping Tesla from releasing FSD. The fact that the FSD product is not completed is stopping Tesla from releasing FSD.
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