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And that is done as well, sir. BTW... have you noticed this???Very good documentation, including accuracy.
Can you check my Germany submission in return?!
Whaaaat? Another Model 3*, this time registered in Germany!
*Or Tesla has released Model O(ther) and the Germans, being very accurate people, translated the model name. We'll never know.
So the one seen in Norway probably wasn´t the same as that seen in Germany. Looks like we have 3 (in order of appearance): NL, DE, NO
Just saw this comparison of BEV vs PHEV sales in Germany (by goingelectric).
The market share isn´t as good as in Norway or the Netherlands, but the trend is going in the right direction.
Also interesting that the numbers for both are pretty much the same.
The market share isn´t as good as in Norway or the Netherlands, but the trend is going in the right direction.
Also interesting that the numbers for both are pretty much the same.
BTW - looked at teslastats.no. No words. 120 today! 509 for December after just 6 days
I see 135 yesterday and 125 today with a December total of 649 as of now..
SebastianR
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I guess he wants to know if any such programme exists for Tesla in the US. I know BMW, Audi (und vielleicht auch Mercedes?) have such a Programme that allows you to "experience real German Autobahn" and then have you car shipped to the US.
I don't think that Tesla has such a programme, I don't think that Tesla wants such a programme: you will run into all kinds of electrical charging issues (US vs. European standards) and you would be liable for all kinds of US/CA taxes as well as European import duties: the factory in Tilburg is assembling cars not for fun but to circumvent European import duties...
Hi. The official UK registration numbers are in for Q3 2017. 674 Model S and 589 Model X were registered in Q3 this year compared to 634 Model S and zero Model X last year. The total was 1263 units. Because the UK numbers are released a few months late, we used estimates until now. Our estimate was 1274 units (99.1% accurate).
A few observations:
1. If you look at performance registrations, it was 18% in Q1 2017 but then it dropped to 9% and 6% in the next two quarters. I think this is related to different buyer profiles. There is a constant flow of buyers who switch from gasoline to EVs and some of them prefer the P versions. On the other hand, there are a certain number of performance car enthusiasts that buy the P version when it car comes out but then you don't see them anymore in the next quarters. If this theory is true, it makes sense for Tesla to continue to release a new performance version every now and then to attract the performance car enthusiasts.
2. S75D registrations were higher than S100D but X75D was lower than X100D. This shows that people care more about range instead of battery size. The S75D has 259 mi and the X75D 237 mi EPA. It looks like 259 mi is considered enough but 237 mi is not. The interesting thing here is that, they are switching from NEDC to WLTP rated range in Europe by Sep 2018 (more info here). Everybody was ignoring NEDC and looking at EPA range anyway but WLTP is expected to be even more accurate than EPA and I'm calculating 249 mi WLTP for the S75D and 229 mi for the X75D. Therefore I think Tesla will do something to improve the range of the S/X by Sep 2018. They might switch to permanent magnet motors or they might switch from 18650 cells to 2170. Otherwise, their S/X sales in Europe will be negatively affected. Luckily the Model 3's EPA range was voluntarily lowered. Therefore I'm calculating 316 mi WLTP for the Model 3 LR. So, no issues with the Model 3 range.
3. Cancelling RWD was an interesting choice by Tesla. There was enough demand to keep the RWD version but the overall demand for Tesla cars grew slowly over time therefore even when they canceled RWD, it didn't turn out to be a big problem because the continuous improvement in battery size and range attracts new buyers. Interestingly I think there is no reason to wait so long to cancel the RWD Model 3. Once they open the configurator to all existing reservation holders and let them chose the RWD version if they want to, it would make sense to cancel the RWD Model 3 for future reservations because this would improve profit margins. The cheapest Model 3 you can order after mid-2018 might start at $40K instead of $35K. That's just a prediction.
Data source: gov.uk (Table VEH0160)
A few observations:
1. If you look at performance registrations, it was 18% in Q1 2017 but then it dropped to 9% and 6% in the next two quarters. I think this is related to different buyer profiles. There is a constant flow of buyers who switch from gasoline to EVs and some of them prefer the P versions. On the other hand, there are a certain number of performance car enthusiasts that buy the P version when it car comes out but then you don't see them anymore in the next quarters. If this theory is true, it makes sense for Tesla to continue to release a new performance version every now and then to attract the performance car enthusiasts.
2. S75D registrations were higher than S100D but X75D was lower than X100D. This shows that people care more about range instead of battery size. The S75D has 259 mi and the X75D 237 mi EPA. It looks like 259 mi is considered enough but 237 mi is not. The interesting thing here is that, they are switching from NEDC to WLTP rated range in Europe by Sep 2018 (more info here). Everybody was ignoring NEDC and looking at EPA range anyway but WLTP is expected to be even more accurate than EPA and I'm calculating 249 mi WLTP for the S75D and 229 mi for the X75D. Therefore I think Tesla will do something to improve the range of the S/X by Sep 2018. They might switch to permanent magnet motors or they might switch from 18650 cells to 2170. Otherwise, their S/X sales in Europe will be negatively affected. Luckily the Model 3's EPA range was voluntarily lowered. Therefore I'm calculating 316 mi WLTP for the Model 3 LR. So, no issues with the Model 3 range.
3. Cancelling RWD was an interesting choice by Tesla. There was enough demand to keep the RWD version but the overall demand for Tesla cars grew slowly over time therefore even when they canceled RWD, it didn't turn out to be a big problem because the continuous improvement in battery size and range attracts new buyers. Interestingly I think there is no reason to wait so long to cancel the RWD Model 3. Once they open the configurator to all existing reservation holders and let them chose the RWD version if they want to, it would make sense to cancel the RWD Model 3 for future reservations because this would improve profit margins. The cheapest Model 3 you can order after mid-2018 might start at $40K instead of $35K. That's just a prediction.
Data source: gov.uk (Table VEH0160)
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Great how well the estimates work!
Regarding the cancelling of the rear wheel drive Model 3 - I don´t think it would be fair to never give people outside the US a chance to purchase one at the originally announced base price. For S and X it made sense to drop that option to differentiate it from Model 3 more - as Model 3 is supposed to cover the lower market segments, too for now, I don´t think they will drop so soon. Maybe in 2019.
SebastianR
Active Member
And in addition we need to consider that the Model S used to cover a much wider band of the market and now is starting to be focussed on the higher end market only. When Tesla had these insanely cheap 2 year leases the Model S was very affordable. The value of the Model S is still awesome, but the sticker price only went upwards lately which is required to create room for the Model 3.
In short: unless there is a massive drop in battery prices, a cheaper version of a Tesla car or anything else that either brings sticker prices for the Model 3 down or otherwise allows Tesla to capture the lower end of the market, there is NO reason to stop the RWD Model 3 (it is a very different situation for Model X/S)
sweter
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As a side note, does anyone have any thoughts on how/if TIlburg is gonna handle Model 3? Are expansions going to be needed? If so, shouldn't they be starting soon?
very basic question on Tilburg... does Tesla's operation there fully remove any costs Tesla's cars would otherwise face (of course, other than shipping) for having been produced in the US... i.e. taxes, duties, whatever the legal term for making cars produced outside the region more expensive than those produced locally?
There's been talk of getting Magna Steyr involved. They have factories where they can do contract work at relatively short notice. It's probably the right move, until Tesla can get a factory up and running in Europe. We should know more in a few months.
(Tesla can start off in Europe by shipping to Norway. We don't have the tariffs that Tilburg is meant to avoid, so cars are shipped here directly from the US.)
I believe it fully removes a 10% import fee. But the extra work at Tilburg probably adds some cost to the price of the car, though less than 10%.
RobStark
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RobStark
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I was under the impression that there work for German Big 3 plus Jaguar filled up their capacity.
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