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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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this theory
LOL.
Im not so sure about the "Windows" always being cheap rates. For a while i was running off the 3 pin plug charger before deciding what wall charger i wanted, and if i had say 30% battery, and wanted it charged to 90% by 05:30, and i plugged in at 1pm, it would start charging at 1 and wouldnt stop until the 0530 in the morning. I would be charged the full rate during the day up until 1130. Not sure if it works any different with the wall charger, but whenever i plug in to charge overnight to 90% its always been within the 1130 and 530 window.

What i used to do with the 3 pin plug, as i could only charge 35 miles over night, i would plug it in and adjust the % to charge to until it gave a window of charging that was mainly in the cheap overnight rate.
LOL
 
After many months of faultless use of IOG, the last couple of charges have been a bit odd. IOG presented the usual schedule but the car started charging as soon as the Zappi 10 minute delay cleared. IOG didn't stop the charge which completed at the level set in the car. There are no schedules set in the car or anything I can see which would affect the smart charging. Last couple of charges have been like this and whilst it's fine from a cost perspective, I'd prefer to help the grid and also not fall foul of the IOG policy.

The only change I made a short while back was toggling smart charging off to test solar charging (which I don't use at the moment) but then toggling it straight back on afterwards.

The car is definitely connected and I see the power usage and schedules in the app - just the charge not happening to the set schedule. I've contacted Octopus support but no answer yet.

The integration is with the car, not the Zappi so possibly Tesla has borked the integration? Maybe it's time to try integrating direct with the Zappi, although their app is excruciatingly slow and a bit pants.

Any thoughts appreciated. Cheers.
 
Good afternoon, for the last 2 weeks I have been plugging in my vehicle as normal, model 3 and Hypervolt charger. The app gives me a charging schedule through the night but come morning it has done nothing.
I have spoken with Octopus a few times and gone through the usual, delete everything from the app and re install, I must have done this 3-4 times, even deleting and reinstating the virtual key with Tesla.
I still plug in to be given a charging schedule and by morning there is nothing. most annoying as the first time it happened there was any 12% left as we had been away for a day trip the previous day so I couldn't get into work.
One thing I have noticed is I have heard the car through the night waking up, so something is going on but no charge.

Anyone had anything similar?

Thank you

Richard
 
If you read back a few pages there's another chap who's had similar behaviour to you, albeit with 3-pin plug charging. Don't think he was able to get to the bottom of it.

All been working fine here (Hypervolt too), bar the occasional "we cannot control your device" notification from the Octopus app which I think gets triggered a bit prematurely and hasn't impacted any of my schedules.
 
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Exciting news. Octopus have announced they are supporting Powerwall with IO Flux tariff, that they’re going to start offering those as an install option with mention of a Virtual Power Plant facility like Texas. Just as Tesla announce Powerwall 3 is available within the UK at last, easing install due to integrated inverter.
Is this likely to be a better option than the current “charge Powerwall overnight at 7.5p on IOG and sell all solar at 15p”?
 
Only if battery and PV combination situation. For those with EVs or heat pumps then IOG still wins out.

What’s fascinating is that now that Tesla API has been extended to support configuring PW time-of-use plans the Virtual Power Plant can be used to either charge en masse from excess solar (induced demand / Octopus PowerUps) or used to export mix of sunshine and cleaner grid production to evening peak.
 
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Unless I missed the email, Octopus hasn't sent any communication regarding lowering peak kWh costs from July 1st, in accordance with Ofgem price caps?

They did pass on the previous lowering in April, but so far they don't seem to be announcing anything for July, which is again a 10% decrease in cap... I would certainly welcome it...

Right now for my region (London), the price cap is 24.22p for multi-rate (applicable to Intelligent Octopus).
With IO current rates of 28.45p peak and 7.5p off peak, the average for constant use is therefore 23.21p (below the cap)

But the new cap from next week has been fixed at 21.93p.

Therefore I would expect IO tariffs to be lowered by around 2p on peak rates...
 
Good afternoon, for the last 2 weeks I have been plugging in my vehicle as normal, model 3 and Hypervolt charger. The app gives me a charging schedule through the night but come morning it has done nothing.
I have spoken with Octopus a few times and gone through the usual, delete everything from the app and re install, I must have done this 3-4 times, even deleting and reinstating the virtual key with Tesla.
I still plug in to be given a charging schedule and by morning there is nothing. most annoying as the first time it happened there was any 12% left as we had been away for a day trip the previous day so I couldn't get into work.
One thing I have noticed is I have heard the car through the night waking up, so something is going on but no charge.

Anyone had anything similar?

Thank you

Richard
I have the same set up (tesla & hypervolt) and same issue. Tesla have confirmed that the issue is with the wake up signal from the tesla server ( it's a text message!!) failing to wake the car which means that tbe charger cannot start charging.
 
Unless I missed the email, Octopus hasn't sent any communication regarding lowering peak kWh costs from July 1st, in accordance with Ofgem price caps?

They did pass on the previous lowering in April, but so far they don't seem to be announcing anything for July, which is again a 10% decrease in cap... I would certainly welcome it...

Right now for my region (London), the price cap is 24.22p for multi-rate (applicable to Intelligent Octopus).
With IO current rates of 28.45p peak and 7.5p off peak, the average for constant use is therefore 23.21p (below the cap)

But the new cap from next week has been fixed at 21.93p.

Therefore I would expect IO tariffs to be lowered by around 2p on peak rates...
Unless they drop the off peak rate, It means nothing for those with battery that barely touch the peak rate plus as someone as mentioned the price cap does not apply to IO.

What I would like to see is the standing charge drop!
 
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Unless I missed the email, Octopus hasn't sent any communication regarding lowering peak kWh costs from July 1st, in accordance with Ofgem price caps?

They did pass on the previous lowering in April, but so far they don't seem to be announcing anything for July, which is again a 10% decrease in cap... I would certainly welcome it...

Right now for my region (London), the price cap is 24.22p for multi-rate (applicable to Intelligent Octopus).
With IO current rates of 28.45p peak and 7.5p off peak, the average for constant use is therefore 23.21p (below the cap)

But the new cap from next week has been fixed at 21.93p.

Therefore I would expect IO tariffs to be lowered by around 2p on peak rates...
I got an email on Thursday last week about it covering gas only, with a further one on the smart tariff specifically to follow. I haven’t got that one yet.