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Wiki Everything you wanted to know about Intelligent Octopus But Were Afraid To Ask

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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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They've slowed down the API polling in order to stop the previous issues with the car being kept awake when not plugged in. Unfortunately this has sent things the other way with the car slow to stop charging when first plugged in and it taking a bit longer for schedules to be calculated. Best bet is carry on doing what you're doing - manually stop the charge just after you plug in. You'll still get a schedule but it can take a few hours to come up.
If I set a schedule in the car itself for the off peak hours, if my smart charge plan schedules it outside of these hours, will it overrule the Tesla schedule?
 
If I set a schedule in the car itself for the off peak hours, if my smart charge plan schedules it outside of these hours, will it overrule the Tesla schedule?
Yes I believe it will. There are a few users on here using that as a workaround and they're very happy with it.

The only problem I have with it is that it doesn't prevent the 23:30 "hump" that the grid has been trying to avoid where lots of cars start charging right at the start of the traditional off-peak window. You'll be charged cheap rate so you may not be bothered but I personally try to avoid it. If manually stopping the charge annoys you, that approach definitely works and still takes advantage of extra slots that Octopus gives.
 
Yes I believe it will. There are a few users on here using that as a workaround and they're very happy with it.

The only problem I have with it is that it doesn't prevent the 23:30 "hump" that the grid has been trying to avoid where lots of cars start charging right at the start of the traditional off-peak window. You'll be charged cheap rate so you may not be bothered but I personally try to avoid it. If manually stopping the charge annoys you, that approach definitely works and still takes advantage of extra slots that Octopus gives.
Are there THAT many cars starting a charge at 2330 for it to be noticeable on the grid? I thought most E7 and EV tariffs started around midnight to 00:30…
 
However, on the 2nd evening, when I plugged the car in at about 8pm, it started charging (for about 20 minutes before I manually stopped it). The smart charge plan took about 30 mins to appear in the app and when the start time rolled around the car did not start charging (I had to manually start it).
How long did you wait for that start? When the Tesla requests the start from the charger, the charger may still apply the load spreading delay before starting.

Also was that start slot still current, they are not fixed after creation and might have moved.
 
Yes I believe it will. There are a few users on here using that as a workaround and they're very happy with it.

The only problem I have with it is that it doesn't prevent the 23:30 "hump" that the grid has been trying to avoid where lots of cars start charging right at the start of the traditional off-peak window. You'll be charged cheap rate so you may not be bothered but I personally try to avoid it. If manually stopping the charge annoys you, that approach definitely works and still takes advantage of extra slots that Octopus gives.
I tried this tonight and it didn’t work - the car started charging according to the schedule I set in the car - the IO smart schedule did not overwrite it (it was scheduled to start charging at 02:30)
 
I tried this tonight and it didn’t work - the car started charging according to the schedule I set in the car - the IO smart schedule did not overwrite it (it was scheduled to start charging at 02:30)
Follow this post, you should be setting the off peak end time in the car, not a start time:
 
What is Octopus approach to Economy 7 timeswitch for night storage heaters, ie how do they set the timing for the ALCS Auxiliary Load Control Switch in a 5 port SMETS2 meter?

My old Economy 7 meter switched in from 12 to 7am in winter.
Octopus fitted a SMETS2 5 port meter and it also switched on those times, although the variable economy 7 tariff night rate is from 12:30 to 7:30. So the switching is out of line and for the first half hour the night storage heaters are running on peak rate.
ALCS timing is a separate control in the meter from the tariff timing and needs its own instruction from Octopus to adjust.
When I moved to IO the night tariff is 11:30 to 5:30 but the ALCS timing has not been adjusted and still runs 12-7. So between 5:30 and 7 any power drawn by the heaters is at peak rate.

Does Octopus not have any provision to correct ALCS timing when moving tariff?

(I have seen on a thread elsewhere that they can be requested to correct the timing, and after a lot of emailing they will eventually find the person who knows how to make the change 🤔 but thats rather manual and shouldn’t be the normal process)
 
So, my current 5p//13p Go deal is coming to an end ... :(. Seems my options are:

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I've not done the calculations for my own use, but the Flexible rate is so close to the Go rate and gives me more time overnight, so it might make more sense than Go; and since none of these deals are fixed, it doesn't seem that there's much to lose even if I make the wrong decision. There's Intelligent Octopus of course, but we have two EVs which I know complicates things.

Anyone got any views? Are there any better deals out there?

PS Why has the daily standing charge almost doubled? Sounds like a rip off to me since that surely isn't linked to the price of the energy itself.
 
So, my current 5p//13p Go deal is coming to an end ... :(. Seems my options are:

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I've not done the calculations for my own use, but the Flexible rate is so close to the Go rate and gives me more time overnight, so it might make more sense than Go; and since none of these deals are fixed, it doesn't seem that there's much to lose even if I make the wrong decision. There's Intelligent Octopus of course, but we have two EVs which I know complicates things.

Anyone got any views? Are there any better deals out there?

PS Why has the daily standing charge almost doubled? Sounds like a rip off to me since that surely isn't linked to the price of the energy itself.
why not Intelligen Octopus?!
off peak is 10p and for at least 6 hrs. It does not complicate thing. You connect your account to one car (tesla) and this one will manage any charging schedule, while second car will use same charger/tarriff as dumb octopus go but with more slots for off peak.
 
Standing charges are how energy companies pretend the price hasn't gone up as much as it has, basically.

With a 1k difference between flexible and Go I can't see that Go makes much sense for you, even if the estimate is slightly off.
Thanks Tony. The £1k difference isn't real because they are using industry average usage (2.4GWh peak/1.7GWh off-peak) rather than my historical usage (3.9GWh peak/5.9GWh off-peak). It'll probably be a little cheaper since I'll get a longer off-peak window which will shift that balance a little, but it won't be £1k.
 
Yeah, I think I'll do that. I was concerned about the 2 car thing, but it seems it's manageable.
of course. As mentioned - you tesla will manage tesla's charging and will use IO as flexible tariff. and other car will use it as dumb charger with non-flexible one but 6 hrs. You are not charging both cars at the same time anyway, I presume
 
of course. As mentioned - you tesla will manage tesla's charging and will use IO as flexible tariff. and other car will use it as dumb charger with non-flexible one but 6 hrs. You are not charging both cars at the same time anyway, I presume
No, we're not charging both at the same time. Might be nice to do this, but at the moment we can survive without.
 
so, yeah, no problem even with 4 cars ;) as only 1 car would be tied to IO...
Yes, good idea. Interestingly, my house has 3-phase installed but only one phase in use. I've recently had a 3-phase meter installed so can now use all three phases if I want. But I need to get another charger installed if I do that. I can't see how IO would handle this - I guess it would see the other car's usage as high "non EV" load?
 
Yes, good idea. Interestingly, my house has 3-phase installed but only one phase in use. I've recently had a 3-phase meter installed so can now use all three phases if I want. But I need to get another charger installed if I do that. I can't see how IO would handle this - I guess it would see the other car's usage as high "non EV" load?
yes.

I have managed to pull like 13 kw, when had charging, dishwasher heating water, washing machine heating water and kettle on.. I could turn on the oven and iron as well :D
 
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