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Wiki Everything you wanted to know about Intelligent Octopus But Were Afraid To Ask

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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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doesnt' that also mean I shouldn't let my friend charge their car overnight on the cheap rate?
It would probably come under that useful legal catch-all of "fair use". How often is this friend coming over to charge? Once a month? Once a week? Every night?

Are Octopus going to be bothered by someone letting a visitor charge their car in the fixed off-peak period? No, of course not. Do Octopus want customers to routinely use IO as a 6-hour version of Go. No, they don't.

Apply common sense.
 
yes in general.

But usually, it's what it happens:
you plug in at peak, after 5 PM. they start to charge for few minutes. maybe 10, or so. then the schedule is set, it stops charging.

in general, all is done via car, and you should use any time of charger you have as a dumb charger - charger itself should not control anything and all start-stop done exclusively by the car
Useful info thanks. Its definitely charging until the limit set in the Tesla app, rather than 10 mins. I'm not sure how to set the Ohme as a dumb charger but actually just thought I picked Intelligent tariff on Ohme, maybe that's it... I'll just remove all tariffs and schedules...
 
You haven't said if you've signed up with Tesla integration, or the beta Ohme integration.

If you've signed up with Tesla integration, ensure ALL smart charging options are disabled in the Ohme app, so that it's acting as a completely dumb charger.

If you've signed up to use Ohme's beta Intelligent integration, ensure you've followed the sign up process exactly. It's a different process to signing up for Tesla integration. Then also ensure the Ohme app settings are exactly as in the FAQ

No, it's not really OK and it breaks the ToS for the tariff.
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Cheers, I think we're onto something.

I did set Intelligent tariff on Ohme, will remove and try again.

Other than the T&C's it is off peak everyday from 11.30-5.30? (E.g. 7p)

I don't want to break the rules, but if IO integration fails tonight, I'll have little choice.
 
Other than the T&C's it is off peak everyday from 11.30-5.30? (E.g. 7p).

How does Octopus charge my car intelligently?​

We connect to your car or charging equipment through the Intelligent Octopus app. You tell us what time you need your car by and how much charge you need. Then, across all the hours you’re plugged in we’ll charge your car when it’s cheapest for you, and greenest for the grid.
 
I did set Intelligent tariff on Ohme, will remove and try again.
There are one or two scenarios where you might want to set up Ohme integration rather than Tesla integration. The main one is if you are a 2 EV household and one isn't a Tesla, it gives you a genuine solution to using IO for both cars.

But as a rule, the Tesla integration is considered better right now as you get a schedule displayed on the app (you don't on Ohme). Also, Ohme integration is having billing teething issues right now. The Tesla API integration has been rock solid at correctly allocating off-peak slots.
 
Thanks people. Solved it I think (after a 7ish minute charge I got the schedule from Octopus and it stopped charging).

Solution was to make the Ohme a dumb charger...

...But it wasn't as simple as going in the app to do it. I had to ring Ohme to decouple the app from an account, making it a dumb charger. Just for anyone else with the same issue.
 

How does Octopus charge my car intelligently?​

We connect to your car or charging equipment through the Intelligent Octopus app. You tell us what time you need your car by and how much charge you need. Then, across all the hours you’re plugged in we’ll charge your car when it’s cheapest for you, and greenest for the grid.
So I was wondering, is there a dedicated, separate, Intelligent Octopus app, or do you just use the normal Octopus app, with the IO facilities.
 
So I was wondering, is there a dedicated, separate, Intelligent Octopus app, or do you just use the normal Octopus app, with the IO facilities.
I just use their normal Octopus app. I’ve not had any issues or glitches. I just did the test charge and leave it alone - I’ve not got any other apps like Teslafi - it’s working really well and not let me down.
 
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Thanks people. Solved it I think (after a 7ish minute charge I got the schedule from Octopus and it stopped charging).

Solution was to make the Ohme a dumb charger...

...But it wasn't as simple as going in the app to do it. I had to ring Ohme to decouple the app from an account, making it a dumb charger. Just for anyone else with the same issue.
Wouldn't it be sufficient to remove the Ohme from your wifi?
 
Hello

I am trying to sign up for this and have got to the point where it tells me to download the app, do a test charge and it should switch across.

However the instructions say head to the 'device' tab on the app and follow the instructions.....unless I am missing something I cannot find the device tab.

I have at the bottom of the app screen: Home / Usage / Bills
Tapping on the profile logo top left give me: moving home / my account / support / app feedback

Will send an email but wondered if anyone else had been through this?
 
Hello

I am trying to sign up for this and have got to the point where it tells me to download the app, do a test charge and it should switch across.

However the instructions say head to the 'device' tab on the app and follow the instructions.....unless I am missing something I cannot find the device tab.

I have at the bottom of the app screen: Home / Usage / Bills
Tapping on the profile logo top left give me: moving home / my account / support / app feedback

Will send an email but wondered if anyone else had been through this?

The devices tab doesn't appear until you've moved onto Intelligent. The instructions are wrong. I'm a bit hazy on what I did, but I recall that you can do the test charge without the devices tab.
 
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Hey folks, my MY went pop last night, probable Pyro fuse blown but not sure what caused it yet. It could be with Telsa for a while and in the meantime I have a M3 SR.

Any ideas how I should charge this temporary car? I have a Hypervolt charger which is currently controlled by IO. I've tried disabling Smart Charging but the HV still seems to be controlled by IO and is not responding to a requested change back to HV controlled scheduled charging?

Edit: I power cycled the HV and it appears to be working OK now.
 
Hey folks, my MY went pop last night, probable Pyro fuse blown but not sure what caused it yet. It could be with Telsa for a while and in the meantime I have a M3 SR.

Any ideas how I should charge this temporary car? I have a Hypervolt charger which is currently controlled by IO. I've tried disabling Smart Charging but the HV still seems to be controlled by IO and is not responding to a requested change back to HV controlled scheduled charging?

Edit: I power cycled the HV and it appears to be working OK now.
Hadn’t thought about this.

Does this mean if a friend / family are around they cannot charge?