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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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See, my experience is the opposite. I also kept a log of extra charge periods outside the standard window and found for any blocks after 0530, if the car had finished charging earlier in the night those blocks were charged at the peak rate. I assume IO regularly monitors SoC and adjusts (adds or removes) blocks as necessary.
Imho, it depends if you have unplugged the car or not.
Never had a slot taken away after it had finished charging earlier than expected. Unless I had unplugged, in that case, it would revert to peak.
 
Thanks all for your input, I know a few other have jumped in since my further query this morning and think essentially it has been answered,

Just plug in when home and either stop charge or set Tesla not to charge until 11:30 and then IO will take what it needs to reach required SOC weather that’s a 10% top up or the full 100%, even though realistically in the 6hours I could only normally achieve about 60% top up.

In reality most of the time (as I plug in most nights) I only need about 30-50% but there are on occasions (possibly 1 a week/fortnight) that i would need over the 60% and just didn’t want to be charged peak rather than just gaining the charge over 2-3 nights depending on usage as I do now with my 4hr window.

From the responses though looks like I just need to switch (when current fixed go rates ends in a couple of weeks) and get using it 😀
 
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I plugged in last night and got a schedule but forgot I had set my battery to 50%, so it stopped earlier than expected….. my fault.
I reset it this morning and got a schedule until 8am but the car didn’t charge no matter what I did.
I unplugged it re-set the parameters, got a new schedule but still the car didn’t didn’t charge.
I normally plug in, turn charging off in the app, set my schedule and then octopus takes over.
I did have a message in the octopus app when I’d hit 50% charge ( I assume as I wasn’t watching) saying “ we couldn’t fetch your preferences at this time “ and a button to click try again.
I Have no problem getting schedules but normally the schedule would instigate a charge.
if it has given me a schedule is the slot still off peak if the car isn’t charging? I can manually charge from the app with the octopus schedule set to charge or should I disconnect and re-connect.
im thinking it might need a reset by disconnecting it

edit: just seen an email from octopus saying they’ve lost control of my device and I need to re-connect via the app
 
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Thanks all for your input, I know a few other have jumped in since my further query this morning and think essentially it has been answered,

Just plug in when home and either stop charge or set Tesla not to charge until 11:30 and then IO will take what it needs to reach required SOC weather that’s a 10% top up or the full 100%, even though realistically in the 6hours I could only normally achieve about 60% top up.

In reality most of the time (as I plug in most nights) I only need about 30-50% but there are on occasions (possibly 1 a week/fortnight) that i would need over the 60% and just didn’t want to be charged peak rather than just gaining the charge over 2-3 nights depending on usage as I do now with my 4hr window.
From the responses though looks like I just need to switch (when current fixed go rates ends in a couple of weeks) and get using it 😀
Your understanding is correct. I arrived home with 8% last night IO, has added 48kW so is now 86% and has a final 10-11 IO slot still to come. It’s super cool flexible low cost charging.

You can if you wish, set up IO now. The process will automatically transfer you to IO. You can then call Octopus who will revert your tariff to Go for the rest of your contract, and setup an automatic switch to IO at the end since you will already be registered in the IO system.
 
Your understanding is correct. I arrived home with 8% last night IO, has added 48kW so is now 86% and has a final 10-11 IO slot still to come. It’s super cool flexible low cost charging.

You can if you wish, set up IO now. The process will automatically transfer you to IO. You can then call Octopus who will revert your tariff to Go for the rest of your contract, and setup an automatic switch to IO at the end since you will already be registered in the IO system.
Great thanks
 
Hello all,

My model y arrived yesterday. I ran the test schedule for IO today which was incredibly simple and authorised the move to IO in approx 5 mins. I’ve just plugged in and told octopus I want 100% charge by 7am. The app instantly gave the schedule shown in the photo - am I interpreting this correctly in that my whole house will have off peak rates tonight from 11:30 to 7am tomorrow morning?

Thanks all
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Hello all,

My model y arrived yesterday. I ran the test schedule for IO today which was incredibly simple and authorised the move to IO in approx 5 mins. I’ve just plugged in and told octopus I want 100% charge by 7am. The app instantly gave the schedule shown in the photo - am I interpreting this correctly in that my whole house will have off peak rates tonight from 11:30 to 7am tomorrow morning?

Thanks allView attachment 913774
Yep, correct.
 
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Looks like car failed to start its first IO charge, 15:30-16:00. No evidence that car woke or took any charge on - TeslaFi and energy monitor.

My guess is that IO didn’t wait long enough for car to wake the car sufficiently as TeslaFi showed it woke sometime around 15:31 but no charge starting. Certainly no home power peaks registered for that time slot period.

Any way of knowing what wake timeout is or whether it should try to start a charge when car eventually wakes even if that takes a minute or so.

Hopefully it will be more successful at 23:00, it’s next scheduled time slot.

I’ve not disabled the old Go 00:30 start charge schedule in the car so hopefully will at least get something in tonight.
 
Despite reading most of the posts here, can I please ask for confirmation of how I propose to use IO; I cut over in less than two weeks and will need to do a test charge then.

I don't do lots of miles in my Tesla, and would very rarely need to add lots of charge on two consecutive nights.

Proposed settings:
Zappi charger set to FAST mode with CT clamp limiting maximum current to 90A (because of Powerwalls).
Plug in car just after 23:00
Tesla M3: Start time 23:30
Octopus App: ready by 5:30am

Reason is 6 hours at say 25-32 Amps = 150 amp hours min = 36kWhr min or around 120 miles min which will always be more than I need to add so Octopus can deliver the charge whenever it wants to.

Is my understanding, right? Thanks
 
Despite reading most of the posts here, can I please ask for confirmation of how I propose to use IO; I cut over in less than two weeks and will need to do a test charge then.

I don't do lots of miles in my Tesla, and would very rarely need to add lots of charge on two consecutive nights.

Proposed settings:
Zappi charger set to FAST mode with CT clamp limiting maximum current to 90A (because of Powerwalls).
Plug in car just after 23:00
Tesla M3: Start time 23:30
Octopus App: ready by 5:30am

Reason is 6 hours at say 25-32 Amps = 150 amp hours min = 36kWhr min or around 120 miles min which will always be more than I need to add so Octopus can deliver the charge whenever it wants to.

Is my understanding, right? Thanks
Presumably because you don't want to discharge your PWs to feed the car?

It would be nice if IO could control PWs in the future. Tesla are weirdly protective of the PW API in a way they don't seem to be with the car API.
 
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Hello all,

My model y arrived yesterday. I ran the test schedule for IO today which was incredibly simple and authorised the move to IO in approx 5 mins. I’ve just plugged in and told octopus I want 100% charge by 7am. The app instantly gave the schedule shown in the photo - am I interpreting this correctly in that my whole house will have off peak rates tonight from 11:30 to 7am tomorrow morning?

Thanks allView attachment 913774
one more Q if anyone can help - cars now charging fine as per proposed schedule. In the morning is there anywhere I can look to see exactly how much the charge cost me? To ensure it has been charged at off peak hours?