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"The report states that according to system performance data downloaded from the car, the indicated vehicle speed was 74 mph just prior to impact, and the posted speed limit was 65 mph." So the standard 9 MPH over the limit that people like to travel.

There are also some good pictures of the impact on the trailer and of the car after the collision. The car is in better shape then I expected.
 
The other thing that gets me here is that, of course, you can arrive at this crash with nothing more than plain old fashioned cruise control enabled. I don't think that I could have brought the 1984 VW I learned in to a halt from 74MPH in the time he had, and certainly its cruise control would hold it at 74 just fine with no intervention on my part.

It's a legitimate question whether the automation, combined with what seem to be some poor choices on this driver's part, let him get sufficiently distracted that he didn't even try to avert the crash. Or whether the performance of the Tesla he was driving might have let him get it stopped if he did try to. But as to whether somehow the automation caused it -- well, no, no more than the cruise control in that old '84 bugvan "caused" any crash anyone was ever in with cruise control engaged. Once that truck made that illegal turn across oncoming traffic, with the cruise holding my old VW at 74 I don't think I would have gotten it stopped and the Tesla driver here tragically didn't stop either.

But we get so wrapped up in dumping on the guy, on the stock speculators, on the media, etc. that we never even mange to get simple points like that across. A shame.
 
The other thing that gets me here is that, of course, you can arrive at this crash with nothing more than plain old fashioned cruise control enabled. I don't think that I could have brought the 1984 VW I learned in to a halt from 74MPH in the time he had, and certainly its cruise control would hold it at 74 just fine with no intervention on my part.

It's a legitimate question whether the automation, combined with what seem to be some poor choices on this driver's part, let him get sufficiently distracted that he didn't even try to avert the crash. Or whether the performance of the Tesla he was driving might have let him get it stopped if he did try to. But as to whether somehow the automation caused it -- well, no, no more than the cruise control in that old '84 bugvan "caused" any crash anyone was ever in with cruise control engaged. Once that truck made that illegal turn across oncoming traffic, with the cruise holding my old VW at 74 I don't think I would have gotten it stopped and the Tesla driver here tragically didn't stop either.

But we get so wrapped up in dumping on the guy, on the stock speculators, on the media, etc. that we never even mange to get simple points like that across. A shame.
Yep. Cruise control mishap. I love your scenarios and explanations.
 
More Florida crash info with pictures at: Highway Preliminary Report HWY16FH018

Thanks for the link.

Nice and wide highway: 2 lanes for each direction with an extra left-turn lane.

There's plenty of room to swerve your car if you could see the truck.

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It's a standard looking semitrailer. Its white color is more like grey, aluminum color. The tractor in front on the right is painted white but it doesn't look invisible.

The damage is so hard to find if it wasn't circled in red.

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The Model S's roof is peeled backward.


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Thanks for the link.

Nice and wide highway: 2 lanes for each direction with an extra left-turn lane.

There's plenty of room to swerve your car if you could see the truck.

As the report says, he hit the truck 23 feet from the back of the trailer (as the other picture you included shows). That means when he got there, the truck was completely blocking the road. Where could one swerve to?
 
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text of the prelim report: with some highlights. Except for 74 mph speed of Tesla, and the power was off after impact, really nothing new.

About 4:40 p.m. eastern daylight time on Saturday, May 7, 2016, a 2015 Tesla Model S, traveling eastbound on US Highway 27A (US-27A), west of Williston, Florida, struck and passed beneath a 2014 Freightliner Cascadia truck-tractor in combination with a 53-foot semitrailer. At the time of the collision, the combination vehicle was making a left turn from westbound US-27A across the two eastbound travel lanes onto NE 140th Court, a local paved road. As a result of the initial impact, the battery disengaged from the electric motors powering the car. After exiting from underneath the semitrailer, the car coasted at a shallow angle off the right side of the roadway, traveled approximately 297 feet, and then collided with a utility pole. The car broke the pole and traveled an additional 50 feet, during which it rotated counterclockwise and came to rest perpendicular to the highway in the front yard of a private residence. The 40-year-old male driver and sole occupant of the Tesla died as a result of the crash.
US-27A is a four-lane highway with a posted speed limit of 65 mph. A 75-foot-wide median separates the two eastbound lanes from the two westbound lanes. Additionally, at the uncontrolled intersection with NE 140th Court, both eastbound and westbound lanes incorporate left turn lanes, allowing for a median opening of about 132 feet. At the time of the crash, it was daylight with clear and dry weather conditions. Figure 1 shows the crash scene intersection.

Figure 1. Crash scene intersection, looking east.
The combination vehicle¾operated by Okemah Express, LLC¾was transporting blueberries to a local produce farm. The Tesla struck the right side of the semitrailer, approximately 23 feet forward from the end of the trailer. Damage from the collision was consistent with a 90 degree angle of impact. Only minor damage above the height of the car was found on the semitrailer side panels, and the undercarriage of the trailer also showed only minor collision damage. Figure 2 shows the right side of the semitrailer at point of impact.


Figure 2. Right side of semitrailer. Area in red oval highlights collision damage from passenger car.
Tesla system performance data downloaded from the car indicated that vehicle speed just prior to impact was 74 mph. System performance data also revealed that the driver was operating the car using the advanced driver assistance features Traffic-Aware Cruise Control and Autosteer lane keeping assistance. The car was also equipped with automatic emergency braking that is designed to automatically apply the brakes to reduce the severity of or assist in avoiding frontal collisions.
As a result of the crash, the rear hatch frame separated and folded back over the crushed rear window. Other than the roof structure¾and the front bumper components that engaged the pole¾the main body of the car was generally intact, as shown in figure 3.




Figure 3. Passenger car damage from impact with semitrailer. (Source: Florida Highway Patrol.)
Using three-dimensional laser scanning technology, NTSB investigators documented the crash location, the damaged semitrailer, and the damaged car. The Tesla was equipped with multiple electronic systems capable of recording and transmitting vehicle performance data. NTSB investigators will continue to collect and analyze these data, and use it along with other information collected during the investigation in evaluating the crash events.
All aspects of the crash remain under investigation. The Florida Highway Patrol and Tesla Motors are parties to the ongoing investigation.
 
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The other thing that gets me here is that, of course, you can arrive at this crash with nothing more than plain old fashioned cruise control enabled. I don't think that I could have brought the 1984 VW I learned in to a halt from 74MPH in the time he had, and certainly its cruise control would hold it at 74 just fine with no intervention on my part.

It's a legitimate question whether the automation, combined with what seem to be some poor choices on this driver's part, let him get sufficiently distracted that he didn't even try to avert the crash. Or whether the performance of the Tesla he was driving might have let him get it stopped if he did try to. But as to whether somehow the automation caused it -- well, no, no more than the cruise control in that old '84 bugvan "caused" any crash anyone was ever in with cruise control engaged. Once that truck made that illegal turn across oncoming traffic, with the cruise holding my old VW at 74 I don't think I would have gotten it stopped and the Tesla driver here tragically didn't stop either.

But we get so wrapped up in dumping on the guy, on the stock speculators, on the media, etc. that we never even mange to get simple points like that across. A shame.

Yes, it was effectively a cruise control mishap. But here's the complication. With cruise control operating alone, the driver is forced to pay attention to the road in order to steer. He would see the truck. But with cruise control and autosteer operating together in the form of AP, a foolish driver is not forced to pay attention to the road and can watch a movie on his DVD. Because of this, my fear is that overprotective regulators may hold the combination of cruise control and autosteer to a higher standard for hazard detection than cruise control alone. The purpose would be to protect foolish drivers from themselves. But that is the kind of thing that regulators sometimes do. I hope things do not turn out this way.
 
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...That means when he got there, the truck was completely blocking the road. Where could one swerve to?

I would hit the brake to spin out of control. I could swerve to the left to the 75-foot-wide median. I could swerve to the right off the road with level ground with no guard rails and wouldn't worry about dropping down a cliff...
 
I would hit the brake to spin out of control. I could swerve to the left to the 75-foot-wide median. I could swerve to the right off the road with level ground with no guard rails and wouldn't worry about dropping down a cliff...
You can't "hit the brake to spin out of control" in a car with ABS. Besides, if you lose traction (spin) you will brake less effectively than if you maintain it (don't spin).

Are you suggesting that, faced with a semi-trailer entirely blocking the 3 lanes of road in your direction, you're sure and certain that you would have made the snap decision to run off the road into the left median? Remember the truck is proceeding from left to right, and you posted what you did up above with the benefit of plenty of time to sit at your keyboard and think about what you should do; never mind what, faced with a sudden crisis like this while driving, you would do.

I think the braking performance of the Tesla is likely sufficient to bring the car to a full stop had the driver been 100% attentive. Which we know the driver was not. But I bet I would not have made it , from 74MPH, in my '84 VW: swerve = roll over; brake = well, do you know much about old VW brakes?
 
...With cruise control operating alone, the driver is forced to pay attention to the road in order to steer...

Accidents have also happened without any aiding technology such as cruise control or Autopilot.

Drivers have been already taking selfie "Snapchat", putting on make-ups, reaching down, reaching back to get cellphone, taking pullover sweater off and doing all kinds of other crazy stuff...
 
You can't "hit the brake to spin out of control" in a car with ABS. Besides, if you lose traction (spin) you will brake less effectively than if you maintain it (don't spin).

Are you suggesting that, faced with a semi-trailer entirely blocking the 3 lanes of road in your direction, you're sure and certain that you would have made the snap decision to run off the road into the left median? Remember the truck is proceeding from left to right, and you posted what you did up above with the benefit of plenty of time to sit at your keyboard and think about what you should do; never mind what, faced with a sudden crisis like this while driving, you would do.

I think the braking performance of the Tesla is likely sufficient to bring the car to a full stop had the driver been 100% attentive. Which we know the driver was not. But I bet I would not have made it , from 74MPH, in my '84 VW: swerve = roll over; brake = well, do you know much about old VW brakes?
I've avoided this type of accident before. My reaction was 1. Slam on the brakes 2. Turn right. I don't know why I turned the wheel to the right, however I was able to come to a stop before my car turned.

If anything I believe I think I may have reduced the damage to the car or "ducked".
 
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I thought autopilot only worked at 5 MPH above the speed limit.
So was autopilot off ?

as others said the autopilot limit on divided is 90 mph, but even on undivided autopilot could be set to 5 mph over 65 and the driver could have his foot on the pedal holding speed near 75. Autopilot doesn't disengage if you press the long skinny pedal on the right.

BTW do we have any word of a medical examiner or coroner report? Any chance the Tesla driver was unconscious, dead, or dieing before the crash?
 
I've avoided this type of accident before. My reaction was 1. Slam on the brakes 2. Turn right. I don't know why I turned the wheel to the right, however I was able to come to a stop before my car turned.

If anything I believe I think I may have reduced the damage to the car or "ducked".
In this case, he could have turned or veered left, not right. It's a mistake many people make based on lots of those Russian dash cam videos I see. They try to avoid the crossing vehicle by turning in the same direction the crossing vehicle is heading in. People need to turn in the direction it was come from. That way, by the time they get there, it's moved at least a few feet farther along and they may have room to pass behind it.