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FIRMWARE UPDATE! AP2 Local road driving...and holy crap
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I cannot understand how anybody can get angry at customers who expect what is on the bill of lading to be on the pallet regardless of fine print.
Perhaps if the AP2 was marketed as Pre-Order AP2 and Full Self Driving as the product descriptor, things would be different.
Personally, I'd have opted for a higher cost delta so folk were more understanding. Pre-Order at 50%, not 83% and 75%. Adjust the late price up to compensate.
Perhaps if the AP2 was marketed as Pre-Order AP2 and Full Self Driving as the product descriptor, things would be different.
Personally, I'd have opted for a higher cost delta so folk were more understanding. Pre-Order at 50%, not 83% and 75%. Adjust the late price up to compensate.
Elon Musk is without any doubts one of the greatest salesmen ever born. Who else could get customers to pay 10 k for an opportunity to test alpha software by putting their own and other peoples life at risk.
I'm talking about sudden full power braking at highway. It takes one fatal crash and this card house collapses.
I'm talking about sudden full power braking at highway. It takes one fatal crash and this card house collapses.
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I cannot understand how anybody can get angry at Tesla when customers can't read the normal font website describing what to expect int he early stages of AP2.
I agree it would have been better to describe it as AP2 hardware with full AP2 software to enable EAP within x months and AP2 software to enable Full Self Driving within Y months subject to regulatory approval.
But that is how I read it anyway without having it spelled out.
The problem with selling at a discount early on is that it is hard to then raise the price later. When production limited better to temper demand at the early stages with full pricing and then let the demand grow from increased functionality at same price rather than raising price with the additional functionality. That's the price of early adoption.
It's only Early Adoption for lease buyers if the finished version is downloaded before their lease is up. It's joint custody if the finished system is delivered this year.
DJ 240V
Member
So the hard braking has happened to me on multiple ocassions. Although in different parts of 405 and never in the same place twice. Every single time I did report it to Tesla and have them pull my logs.
Just yesterday it happened on southern 73 near new port beach again. Based on my experience , here is my hypothesis: The car is getting your attention with a quick break if the TACC is in doubt . If the hard brake is not accompanied with the FCW ( forward collision warning ) I don't think the car will slam the brakes and stop. Can you all confirm that every time the braking happened it's a quick slow and go ? It always seems the case for me.
NerdUno
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We've been over this in other threads. You can't really hold buyers accountable for knowing something that wasn't provided at or before the time they purchased their vehicles. He who owns the web site can always change the language later, but nunc pro tunc doesn't apply to representations made by Tesla and sales people at the time of sale! Furthermore, nothing in the language you've quoted even remotely suggests that the software not only wasn't ready but hadn't even been written. The clear implication was that the only remaining hurdle was "regulatory approval," something over which Tesla obviously had no control. As it happens, nothing could be much further from the truth in the case of AP2. Watch the infamous Tesla self-driving video and then take an AP2 vehicle for a drive. Then tell us all what similarities you see. ZERO! On the legal issues surrounding misrepresentation, I would say to Elon: "This isn't Rocket Science!"
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hos epi to polu
Not sure how much it slowed -- I was busy like @Joe F . What's also interesting is that I am pretty sure someone else on TMC has had the exact same thing happen under the exact same sign. It is the electronic express lanes open/close indicator when you are heading N on 90/94 around Fullerton or Diversey.
Then as I got on the express lanes, the car also gave the front collision alarm and hit the breaks (less significantly than just prior) for a shadow. Awesome. Wow.
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hos epi to polu
You obviously failed to read it when we made our orders -- as is pointed out above.
I accept your apology in advance.
Helmuth
Member
Is the screenshot from the time you ordered?
Because it reads "is expected" to rollout in December 2016! It didn't say "it will rollout" in December 2016...
That was exactly my expectation when we order back on December 6! I didn't expect EAP before spring 2017 to work close to AP1.
Robwoodruff
Member
I got the update, 17.5.36 two nights ago and the car is driving on local roads below 35 mph. Drives just as well as my AP1 car, just slower.
And, as stated in other threads, Tesla can't say "expected December" when they were fully aware there was no way they could possibly meet that expectation. They said "expected December" even in early January and even after Elon said that "hundreds of millions of miles" of testing would be needed. That works out to 10,000 miles per car. Most drivers drive that in about a year, not a month!
"expected" =/ "guaranteed"
They said expected in December. Then in January revised to say features will be rolled out as validated.
It's taking longer than expected. That happened with AP1 too. And will happen with AP3.
What is really the deep cause of your suffering and torment?
Perhaps you may take comfort in these words which may resonate with you:
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done."
"The limits of my language means the limits of my world."
EM promises the ambitious to accomplish the ambitious. He usually succeeds -- Hôs epi to polu.
Patience is rewarded with delight.
These people already seem delighted by the same things that cause others so much suffering: AP 2.0 - Lets log our experiences
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drshan
Active Member
I drove that exact route from the Shedd up north to my house. I never had issues before but today we had 2 issues with the metal signs. If anything, I think the AI is learning bad things. Some AI needs to go to bed without dinner.
Expected to me is +/- 20% not +100% or more.
Let me put this another way. If I lease a HW2 car in Nov, expecting a decent AP2 in Dec and AP2 is only ready in summer/fall, I would not be happy. Basically, 1 year out of the 3 years lease, the car did not perform as expected.
They've launched HW2 mid October and said the software will be available in December. So 2 months + 20% equals... let's say 3 months
So they launched a not entirely usable update mid Jan., we are mid Feb. I can't rely on TACC to do a good job, I have no regular CC available, no auto rain sensor and no lane assist.
Not that I don't like what the they are doing, but they don't seem to learn from their mistakes(AP1 delays).
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