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Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting
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There are reasons for this. I don't want to explain the details
scottf200
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List of some that have been used for FSD
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How do you mean? For years, Elon Musk has been talking a big game about how true self-stiving is just around the corner. Plus it's hard to deny that the words "full self-driving" imply at least some capacity for operating without human supervision.
Though we can't rightly declare it "vaporware" until it's determined that vehicles below a certain hardware version will never get past level 2 autonomy, which will largely depend on what the government decides is necessary for unsupervised self-driving.
Knightshade
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I mean if you real the actual description of what Tesla is selling you for $12,000-- on the page where you purchase it- 100% of what they list is delivered and has been for years now for those with FSDb.
Specifically:
Tesla product description of FSD said:
All of that exists. Today. And is available to virtually everyone today in North America who buys it for $12,000.
How can a thing that exists- and that north of 400,000 people had and were using LAST year, be vaporware?
Some FUTURE product, whose features aren't listed at all in the actual product description, but Elon keeps talking about as a goal COMING REAL SOON- is an entirely different matter.
It was, but it isn't anymore. No Autopark, Summon, or Smart Summon on vehicles made in the past year, or so.
Knightshade
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It may exist on MCU2. But for almost all MCU1 owners, it doesn’t exist in any meaningful way.
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Knightshade
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Yup- I called that out previously as "excluding the class of oldest cars mentioned where FSDb isn't available (but it was only 3k for those folks not 12k) "
I suppose TECHNICALLY someone who has say a 2017 Model S, and never bought any driving features at all for the near 7 years they've had the car, and then suddenly decided they wanted to today, they'd be 12k.... but I've also seen a number of threads where such folks got free MCU upgrades pointing out the text when their car was sold saying it came with all HW needed for self driving too (sometimes with as little effort as pointing that out to a service manager, sometimes via small claims)
I’m going to give them a few more years before I try that, but if you want to start a thread here with a list, I’d help edit it.
FMinMI
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It wasn't $3K, it was $8K - you had to pay for BOTH EAP ($5K) and then FSD ($3K). I can show you on my Monterey Window sticker from my 12/2016 MS.
Today, the FSD prices doesn't require you to buy both. Still, it has gone up $5K since it was first 'sold'.
And I am still waiting...
Knightshade
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No need, I bought the same for my 2018 Model 3.
But you can still buy EAP today (6k now) if you don't think the added value of FSD is worth the extra 6k.
Yes, the earliest adopters were promised a completely different feature set than what has been sold in the last nearly 5 years.
The version of FSD sold in those ~5 years, however, is fully delivered to everyone with FSDb, which is hundreds of thousands of people.
So calling it vaporware simply ain't so.
If you want to describe the older version sold to those before the change, well I'm still waiting on THAT product too- but it's not the " footing $12k for vaporware," claim to which I originally replied.
plumazul
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It’s vaporware for all the early adopters who will NEVER get it. (moderator edit)
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Knightshade
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(moderator edit) There's certainly older originally-MCU1 cars that also have it
See this post for example:
How to sue Tesla over historical claims
About a year ago we had FSDb for about a week, got dinged for not touching the steering wheel INSTANTLY and after like 3x, it stopped working all together and hasn't worked since. The button to turn FSD on/off on the screen is grayed out, says it'll restore in a few weeks...once again, it's...
teslamotorsclub.com
An FSD owner with an MCU1 vehicle got the full HW upgrade needed, for free.
He's not the only one.
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legendsk
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Be sure to keep that Monterey Window sticker. It is worth much more than the actual car. All other 2016 cars had Monroney Window Stickers.
FMinMI
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scottf200
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FMinMI
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Nice chart, but not directly relevant to what I posted. If you didn't read it, the original price in mid-NOVEMBER 2016 was $3K for the FSD add-on, on top of the $5K for EAP which was required to then add FSD. Your chart starts with 2019. Here is a snip-it from my Tesla OEM window sticker:
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