FSD Beta 10.13

[tmoz]

This is what happens to fill the void of not yet having the soon to come next version to try out and discuss the results. Discussions on grammar and life coaching fill the void. Please hurry and get us 10.13 ...

 

[AutoRocket]

If you have asked to participate in the program as an FSD beta tester, then you are in fact on the AI team. As a volunteer contributor.

Perhaps when it's all over you'll get a plaque.
Perhaps you can display it on your wall and it will increase your self-esteem.
Perhaps the experience will inspire you to even greater personal achievements, wealth and happiness.
Men will envy you, and beautiful women will clamor to know what it's like to work with Elon.
Perhaps it will change you life.

Alternatively, you can continue to grumble about things on here on TMC. And join the sneering experts who remind us how right they are, every time something goes wrong.

Choose your path carefully.

I haven’t requested to “volunteer” for the AI team by paying $12,000. If they want my data to improve their product they can pay me or offer the beta access free….

 

[ChaoticNeutral]

I haven’t requested to “volunteer” for the AI team by paying $12,000. If they want my data to improve their product they can pay me or offer the beta access free….

They take your human driving data whether or not you’ve paid for FSD

 

[JulienW]

I haven’t requested to “volunteer” for the AI team by paying $12,000. If they want my data to improve their product they can pay me or offer the beta access free….

With 100k in the program and 10s of thousands more "chomping at the bit" to get in we know that's NOT going to happen.

 

[jmcdono362]

I remember driving to Springfield, MA from Boston for a business trip. Driving was slow and courteous out west. Reminded me of my childhood roads in suburban Atlanta. Couldn't call anyone in Springfield a Masshole. FSDb might do really well there.

I'm from Boston area too and totally agree. Come up to Portland Maine and you'll experience the dramatic difference in drivers as well. Almost everyone in Maine takes their sweet time on the road.

 

[drtimhill]

I’m not on the AI team…. I’m a consumer….. I don’t care about features and improvement I care about when it will change my life.

Well I guess a big enough bug in FSD could kill you .. that seems to meet your criteria

 

[thewishmaster]

A few videos from today on Chuck's twitter, e.g.:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551614099888431110

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

A few videos from today on Chuck's twitter, e.g.:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551614099888431110

To those keeping score (under the previously proposed system), this is a failure. 0/1

Took excessive time and clearly did not go when the opportunity presented itself. And looks like it actually went at a higher risk time, to add to that!

 

[Supcom]

A few videos from today on Chuck's twitter, e.g.:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551614099888431110

That turn looked great. But, we don't know if, or when, FSD beta was engaged during the turn.

 

[JulienW]

To those keeping score (under the previously proposed system), this is a failure. 0/1

Took excessive time and clearly did not go when the opportunity presented itself. And looks like it actually went at a higher risk time, to add to that!

Are we watching the same video? At what point (time stamp) did it "clearly did not go when the opportunity presented itself"?

 

[thewishmaster]

To those keeping score (under the previously proposed system), this is a failure. 0/1

Took excessive time and clearly did not go when the opportunity presented itself. And looks like it actually went at a higher risk time, to add to that!

I sort of see what you mean, towards the end where it feels like it could've gone but waited for another couple cars?

This was a partial failure for sure, maybe due to the weird starting position it got into:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551605579419979784

This was the last one:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551612368333029377

 

[Supcom]

I have to say that, if the video showed FSD beta through the entire turn, then I am impressed. Turning onto the road with the truck in the middle lane is something that the current FSD beta would never do. Even right turns onto a multilane highway seem to require all lanes to be clear before proceeding.

But, of course, the turn could have been all manually driven.

 

[Yelobird]

Are we watching the same video? At what point (time stamp) did it "clearly did not go when the opportunity presented itself"?

Agreed. That looked great and pretty much how any other driver would have handled the situation.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

Are we watching the same video? At what point (time stamp) did it "clearly did not go when the opportunity presented itself"?

Had an easy five-second gap. Six second if you neglect an opportunity with traffic in a different lane.

Has to go in this situation.

Went with large truck on a five-second gap. If that is safe, the others are safe. Can’t have it both ways.

Feeling very good about my bet if that’s the margin they require. (The criteria I proposed fortunately clearly covered this case, as I knew it would be an issue.)

I thought it would be a close judgement call in some cases, but this one is not close.

By the way, it’s fine to not call this a failure, it’s just a failure by the clear criteria for that specific agreement. Caution is fine. Though I would prefer to not pull out and get passed by a massive truck.

(This was just for clip 3, I will look at the others now.)

 

[Supcom]

I sort of see what you mean, towards the end where it feels like it could've gone but waited for another couple cars?

This was a partial failure for sure, maybe due to the weird starting position it got into:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551605579419979784

This was the last one:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551612368333029377

The last turn looked more like the current beta. The car waited for the car in the right lane to pass before turning into the lane despite the left lane being clear the whole time. But median positioning is definitely improved.

 

[aronth5]

Are we watching the same video? At what point (time stamp) did it "clearly did not go when the opportunity presented itself"?

JulienW agree with you. @AlanSubie4Life assuming FSD initiated both crossing to the median and then moving into the high speed lane I thought FSD did well and the vast number of tweeter replies were also very positive. The pictures you shared don't reflect how fast cars were approaching which is something a driver would consider and FSD may have as well. Feels like your nitpicky here. How many times have you driven and thought to yourself you could have gone? I know I've done that many times. FSD should err on the side of caution.

 

[Yelobird]

Had an easy five-second gap. Six second if you neglect an opportunity with traffic in a different lane.

Has to go in this situation.

Went with large truck on a five-second gap. If that is safe, the others are safe. Can’t have it both ways.

Feeling very good about my bet if that’s the margin they require. (The criteria I proposed fortunately clearly covered this case, as I knew it would be an issue.)

I thought it would be a close judgement call in some cases, but this one is not close.

By the way, it’s fine to not call this a failure, it’s just a failure by the clear criteria for that specific agreement. Caution is fine. Though I would prefer to not pull out and get passed by a massive truck.


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Not sure why you keep pedaling this as a bet. You proposed 20 rules to complete short of which way the wind was blowing and what color car passed by. The car made the difficult turn it couldn’t previously accomplish, game over. A bet is pass fail not pass fail with 40 out variables. Umphhh. I applaud the effort they made and suspect many of the fine tuning variables moving forward will need to be done in a similar fashion moving forward.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

This was just for clip 3, I will look at the others now.)

Clip 1 is 1 out of 2 success. There were 2 clear attempts.

The second turn appeared great.

Clip 2 is 0 for 1. Obvious huge gap waiting for third lane over to clear but it was not close.

 

[jabloomf1230]

Not sure why you keep pedaling this as a bet. You proposed 20 rules to complete short of which way the wind was blowing and what color car passed by. The car made the difficult turn it couldn’t previously accomplish, game over. A bet is pass fail not pass fail with 40 out variables. Umphhh. I applaud the effort they made and suspect many of the fine tuning variables moving forward will need to be done in a similar fashion moving forward.

Any bets should be based on whether Chuck Cook says that the car passes or fails the ULT.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

You proposed 20 rules to complete short of which way the wind was blowing and what color car passed by

Actually I think it was five, reduced to 4.

The car made the difficult turn it couldn’t previously accomplish, game over.

Again, just for that particular bet. You’re welcome to have different criteria. I want FSD to be useful and to drive like a confident and competent human driver.

I applaud the effort they made and suspect many of the fine tuning variables moving forward will need to be done in a similar fashion moving forward.

Looks to me to be substantially improved. The question is whether it will go without human intervention in a safe and timely manner at a high rate.