momo3605
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Fascinating - S/X cars from 2016-2020 don't have cameras. Does the beta not work on these cars?
Correct. No MCU1 S/X cars are getting FSD beta access.
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Fascinating - S/X cars from 2016-2020 don't have cameras. Does the beta not work on these cars?
It appears that they only enforce the cabin camera on the cars that are equipped with it. I wonder if the steering wheel torque nags are the same or if they are heightened on the vehicles without a cabin camera.Fascinating - S/X cars from 2016-2020 don't have cameras. Does the beta not work on these cars?
Hmm, Maybe if Tesla put this in a manual or email to the testers, instead of just leaving us all in the dark to guess?
Why should it be on a completely uniformed tester to know when to disengage and what helps Tesla learn and what doesn't?
I mean, all Tesla tells you to do is click a button and send them an email when you see something you don't like. They don't even make it clear that normal disengagements help them at all.
But S/X cars with MCU2, with no cabin/selfie camera are getting it.Correct. No MCU1 S/X cars are getting FSD beta access.
Wowwww 10.2 is amazing, especially in dealing with tons of peds at stops:
This is the same Tesla that has "absolutely do not use autosteer on city streets" in their manual and then a few pages later tells you about how it will ding for a green light or stop sign, which never occur on limited access roads.Tesla/EM are far from perfect in the communications and expectation setting department, but I suspect they thought this through, and I certainly don't think any of their decisions are a result of inattentiveness or incompetence.
That's not really a contradiction though, you don't need to use Autosteer to get green light/stop sign alerts. Just TACC alone will suffice and that's perfectly fine to use on city streets.This is the same Tesla that has "absolutely do not use autosteer on city streets" in their manual and then a few pages later tells you about how it will ding for a green light or stop sign, which never occur on limited access roads.
I don't agree that a gate or road block looks like a worn out lane marker.I think road blocks or low occlusions can look just like erased road markings. So they just need to add a lot of occluded training data to distinguish between real occlusions and faded/erased road markings.
Why not ? The camera sees a road with all the markings - and then some thing strange "painted" on the road and then again road markings. Esp. if the game is just made of a few metal / plastic rods.I don't agree that a gate or road block looks like a worn out lane marker.
You need lots of labelled data. The way EM is tweeting about it - my guess is they are labelling a lot of data now and started to use it for training. 5 years back they were concentrating on "basic" freeway scenarios.They might need more training data though, but 5 years would have given plenty time for this basic scenario.
Just TACC alone will suffice and that's perfectly fine to use on city streets.
Come on.. lets have a sense of fairness here. That road closed sign with the detour sign to opposite lane is a difficult scenario even for humans. Why are we harping on the less than 1% of the use cases, when we all know that this is beta and work in progress?you consider running into signs, cones, barrier in construction scenarios working well? Or 1-10 average mile between disengagement in urban driving scenario?
Note there are stop signs and traffic signals on non-city streets too. That's where I was using the Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control when I had it for my FSD trial.Not according to the manual. All of the below is in the "autosteer" section:
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And then, given the above "never use autosteer on city streets" they then give you this:
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Why did they "design" traffic light and stop sign control to work with autosteer if you are specifically prohibited from using it?
The simple answer here is that they are sloppy about their manuals as they update features, not that they do "everything on purpose."
You're forgetting to read the first sentence.Note there are stop signs and traffic signals on non-city streets too.
Any idea when that will be? Highway traffic aware cruise control has been in beta for 7 years now (2014-2021). I guess it's Ok when that plows into stopped objects too. It's beta.Yes this is a scenario that should be handled and Tesla's FSD will handle it when it comes out of beta.
If that's true, why do road closed signs and detour signs survive even one day without humans plowing through them like FSD tries to?That road closed sign with the detour sign to opposite lane is a difficult scenario even for humans.
By definition, Limited-access road includes expressways, which definitely can have traffic lights and stop signs:You're forgetting to read the first sentence.
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Point out a road to me that is a highway or limited access road that has a stop sign in the direction of travel on that limited access road. What is even the definition of a limited access road if it has a stop sign? What are you stopping for?
But S/X cars with MCU2, with no cabin/selfie camera are getting it.
Sorry if this has been confirmed already but have there been any reports of MCU2 / HW3 / AP2 cameras getting beta?
This is my config (late 2016 Model S) but my score is 97 so I wasn’t getting this release anyway.
Hmmmm. Maybe this is Elon's little secret? Maybe all of the FSD instances to date (whether is this release or for the past year) for MS/MX needs the camera's starting with AP 2.5?Same question. HW3 and MCU2 via upgrades. Any hits?