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It appears that they only enforce the cabin camera on the cars that are equipped with it. I wonder if the steering wheel torque nags are the same or if they are heightened on the vehicles without a cabin camera.
Maybe Tesla has thought this through and determined that simply informing testers to "click the button" is enough? Maybe they determined that not explicitly telling testers that disengagements notifies Tesla is ok, because it wouldn't change one's actions anyway. Maybe testers don't get manuals bc they want to model testers after the non-manual-reading masses who will use FSD post early access.
Tesla/EM are far from perfect in the communications and expectation setting department, but I suspect they thought this through, and I certainly don't think any of their decisions are a result of inattentiveness or incompetence.
But S/X cars with MCU2, with no cabin/selfie camera are getting it.
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It is. The monitoring humans does seem very good. It's very cautious, but didn't seem to miss anyone.
However, in the middle of all of that, it just tries to drive over a road sign (10:30). It also drives within an inch or two of a parked car.
It seems very good at dynamic objects, and really iffy about static ones.
This is the same Tesla that has "absolutely do not use autosteer on city streets" in their manual and then a few pages later tells you about how it will ding for a green light or stop sign, which never occur on limited access roads.
Tell me, why do they have ~40 pages of how to use current AP in the manual, if they believe that nobody will read it, and you can just figure it out? But now, in a public beta, under massive scrutiny from NHTSA and the media, they purposefully decide they don't need any kind of manual because that helps with testing?
And the same Tesla that had to delay FSD release on Friday night to release on Sunday night. Not exactly a stable release process.
Let's be real here, they are just moving as fast as possible, and manuals are boring and time consuming and require stable software to write against.
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That's not really a contradiction though, you don't need to use Autosteer to get green light/stop sign alerts. Just TACC alone will suffice and that's perfectly fine to use on city streets.
EVNow
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Why not ? The camera sees a road with all the markings - and then some thing strange "painted" on the road and then again road markings. Esp. if the game is just made of a few metal / plastic rods.
You need lots of labelled data. The way EM is tweeting about it - my guess is they are labelling a lot of data now and started to use it for training. 5 years back they were concentrating on "basic" freeway scenarios.
Not according to the manual. All of the below is in the "autosteer" section:
And then, given the above "never use autosteer on city streets" they then give you this:
Why did they "design" traffic light and stop sign control to work with autosteer if you are specifically prohibited from using it?
The simple answer here is that they are sloppy about their manuals as they update features, not that they do "everything on purpose."
Come on.. lets have a sense of fairness here. That road closed sign with the detour sign to opposite lane is a difficult scenario even for humans. Why are we harping on the less than 1% of the use cases, when we all know that this is beta and work in progress?
I honestly detest whining negative Nancys whose only job is to find some concern and blow it up.
Yes this is a scenario that should be handled and Tesla's FSD will handle it when it comes out of beta.
I know it hurts you that your favorite automaker has made no further progress in autonomy, but don't let that stop you from enjoying the progress and the future Tesla is showing in FSD beta.
stopcrazypp
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Note there are stop signs and traffic signals on non-city streets too. That's where I was using the Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control when I had it for my FSD trial.
You're forgetting to read the first sentence.
Point out a road to me that is a highway or limited access road that has a stop sign in the direction of travel on that limited access road. What is even the definition of a limited access road if it has a stop sign? What are you stopping for?
Any idea when that will be? Highway traffic aware cruise control has been in beta for 7 years now (2014-2021). I guess it's Ok when that plows into stopped objects too. It's beta.
The primary issue here is that this is where Tesla is 5 years after they first sold FSD. 5 years after a video saying the driver is only there for legal purposes, the system can't avoid a sign in the middle of a road.
If that's true, why do road closed signs and detour signs survive even one day without humans plowing through them like FSD tries to?
stopcrazypp
Well-Known Member
By definition, Limited-access road includes expressways, which definitely can have traffic lights and stop signs:
Limited-access road - Wikipedia
Here's an example, right on CA-35 locally:
Limited-access road only means intersections are rare, doesn't mean they have to be non-existent. And although most traffic controls on expressways are lights, there are some cases where it's a stop sign (usually when two of them cross over like in this case where Skyline and Sloat crosses over, but neither are considered super high traffic, so a stop sign is sufficient).
Sorry if this has been confirmed already but have there been any reports of MCU2 / HW3 / AP2 cameras getting beta?
This is my config (late 2016 Model S) but my score is 97 so I wasn’t getting this release anyway.
@MP3Mike you mentioned early MCU2 model S were getting it…people above claim they aren’t. Are you sure?
KArnold
Active Member
Hmmmm. Maybe this is Elon's little secret? Maybe all of the FSD instances to date (whether is this release or for the past year) for MS/MX needs the camera's starting with AP 2.5?
I really hope I'm mistaken. It's one thing to stretch the truth because the CEO isn't supposed to know every detail, like release dates and such. But if this Whopper is true, it sure feels intentionally deceptive to his core supporters.
Someone please tell me I'm off base here.
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