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I see the past policy about the computer upgrade to HW3, but nothing about a promise to do this in the future for current HW3 cars.
Exactly so if it's not (likely) to happen that would agreement towards adding FSD after purchase via app instead of at time of order / purchase.
Do you know what you don't know? In other words, until they actually achieve FSD there is no way to know that for sure. They claim it has more than enough processing power to achieve FSD, but like most complex problems the amount of effort to get those last few percentage points to achieve the goal is typically exponential in nature. Those last few percentage points might just be a LOT more training and code, or perhaps you hit a wall with that approach and you need to make some hardware change to break through that ceiling. Not a simple problem to solve with high reliability and confidence, especially the unknowns.
Right, but if they sell me FSD with HW3 and say "This is the last hardware change we will need to achieve full autonomy", and then they come back in 2 years and say "Oooo, yeah just kidding we're going to need different hardware", I'll be asking them when my appointment to swap in the hardware I paid for will be.
Dr. J
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In that case, you should opt out of arbitration within x days of buying the car. I think x=30, but it's been nearly two years since I bought my model 3.
I don't expected they will complete the FSD even with rewrite the whole coding. ever since Elon announced to move Tesla out of California, the moral in the company has been low, my friends work there are all waiting for upcoming updates. none of them willing to leave. This becomes a serious hold back on developments. Pay 8k for a system that may never complete is not a smart idea.
MXLRplus
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Note that Stanford released their 2nd place DARPA autonomy software to the public domain, both the source code and hardware.
The year was 2007, the course was in Victorville, on city streets. Carnegie Mellon won but did not release their software or hardware.
When you consider that today GPU are hundreds of times faster than CPUs they used for DARPA 13 years ago, it makes you wonder if the problem is perhaps all software and sensors. That is, the hardware is not the limit.
The year was 2007, the course was in Victorville, on city streets. Carnegie Mellon won but did not release their software or hardware.
When you consider that today GPU are hundreds of times faster than CPUs they used for DARPA 13 years ago, it makes you wonder if the problem is perhaps all software and sensors. That is, the hardware is not the limit.
Unable to transfer ownship of the FSD is another reason I will wait for subscription based pricing to try it out.
rxlawdude
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Where do you get that? Please cite your authoritative source for this statement, which I believe is 100% wrong.
Subscription based FSD you can transfer it to new Tesla you purchased later. Like Cyertruck. Standard FSD stay with same vehicle. But when selling Y in the future, with out of date hardwares and higher price tag. It will only hindered the sale. The difference between second hand Tesla with or without FSD is not that much difference.
Dr. J
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Since you disagreed with my advice to opt out of arbitration, I'll cite the only authoritative source I know of on hardware upgrades for FSD, even though it doesn't address the assertion of @Ghanziang.
Full Self-Driving Computer Installations
Says: "Tesla cars with Full Self-Driving Capability and Autopilot Computer 2.0 or 2.5 are eligible for a complimentary upgrade to the FSD Computer. " There is no reliable source I know of that promises any hardware beyond the "FSD computer," aka hardware 3.0. If someone expects a free upgrade to 4.0, I would say that Tesla hasn't promised that and that person should expect to litigate to have a chance to make that happen--arbitration probably won't succeed.
Dr. J
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rxlawdude
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I'm well aware of the current language on Tesla's website. It makes no distinction between FSD bought with the car vs bought post-sale. Any HW required for "FSD" is implicit in the purchase price, at or after sale.
Now, if a new HW4 came out and you had not purchased FSD before that, of course you're SOL as to hardware upgrades.
Your musings are based on your apparent litigious nature.
Dr. J
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That's funny. I've never been involved in any litigation in my life. Preserving options against binding arbitration seems like ordinary care to me.
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