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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
Definitely. Heck I was one of the first people to have a car with any form of Autopilot (AP1) back in October of 2014 and I don’t have it either.
At this point Tesla is well past their targeted rollout to special people. People are now mostly at the mercy of their hardware configuration, location, and luck.
Pdubs
Ingesting large quantities of LSD
It'll go wide. It passed my wife test.
I’m on pre beta in UK. My wife has no choice other than to put up with the random braking at 70mph…. Tell your wives they are lucky with what they have.
Pdubs
Ingesting large quantities of LSD
This beaver is fascinating. I need to see a picture of it.Update, V12 is no longer perfect with Beavers an idiot installed into a roadway.
It's only an inch or so above the street and made of copper or something similar.
It tried to avoid the beaver
It probably ended up hitting a few inches of the beaver.
Nowhere near as violent as V11 trying to avoid it, but noticeable.
So about 21 beaver misses, 1 light touch.
No more Beaver beer bets...
"Will send a new update every two weeks and should reach robotaxi by the end of the year"
EVERYONE: I sent a Report a couple of weeks ago and asked this thread be made a Sticky and it was denied.
This is by far the dominate thread and needs to be a Sticky
So Everyone send a Report asking it to be made a Sticky.
Also think the named should be changed to V12 Experiences
Will send another myself right now. Only takes 10 seconds.
This is by far the dominate thread and needs to be a Sticky
So Everyone send a Report asking it to be made a Sticky.
Also think the named should be changed to V12 Experiences
Will send another myself right now. Only takes 10 seconds.
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willow_hiller
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Downloading it right now. I wasn’t expecting to get it before my FSD expired. 23MYLR. In Atlanta
Congrats! It will be interesting to see if it convinces you to pay to subscribe or if you'll let it lapse and try again from time to time as there are new releases.
I like your definition of "useful". It succinctly summarizes my feeling but when you say 'highway' do you mean controlled access highway? Because here in Ontario it is not less mentally taxing on uncontrolled highways (too much diving into turning lanes). My FSD supportive husband often turns it and TACC off while on highway drives because of stress involved in using it.
I've got HW3, so not likely to ever see city streets usefulness. And waiting to 2026 for even undivided highway usefulness is too long for me. By then I'll be six years into my seven year car ownership cycle and the only compelling reason to stretch out our ownership like we did with the PriusV would be solid L2 on city streets. Instead, another almost 2 years of irritating (nags when I'm holding the wheel and looking straight ahead instead of at the screen and thus miss the flashing blue) and untrustworthy L2 on undivided highways will be the nail in our ownership of this car.
The irritation of the nags is something that I feel has to be resolved before FSD is 'useful' by your excellent definition. There's a stress that comes from worrying about a strike and so that adds to the stress of wondering if the car is going to do something dangerous. With both HW3 and HW4, this is an unresolvable "in the car" lack of hardware issue. The option to pay to upgrade my steering wheel to one that could feel I'm holding it in order to get rid of nags would be tempting but tesla is doubling down on the ineffective interior camera instead.
I was thinking that if I did get v12 before FSD expired that I would subscribe for a month since 1.5 weeks won’t be enough time to judge. Plus hearing that updates will be every two weeks really helped.
willow_hiller
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fasteddie7
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I saw… let’s go!!!
jabloomf1230
Minister of Silly Walks
You make an interesting point. At least for now, V12 isn't entirely based on vision. It's more like a driver who can simultaneously control the vehicle by and read a map.
Pdubs
Ingesting large quantities of LSD
with how good v12 is, I actually believe him about the updates. Zero fks given about “robo taxi”
jabloomf1230
Minister of Silly Walks
Very good first drive. Addressed the majority of problems I've been having so pretty happy.
Only 1 safety issue, where FSD tried to take a left out of a small road even though a no turn sign was visible.
Agree with others who have mentioned the slowness with auto speed parameter on. However, there were places where this worked great where going slower was appropriate. If Tesla used the current setting as chill mode and bumped the speed up for average and another bump up for assertive that might help.
Next I'll try some of the obstructed view intersections I have.
Only 1 safety issue, where FSD tried to take a left out of a small road even though a no turn sign was visible.
Agree with others who have mentioned the slowness with auto speed parameter on. However, there were places where this worked great where going slower was appropriate. If Tesla used the current setting as chill mode and bumped the speed up for average and another bump up for assertive that might help.
Next I'll try some of the obstructed view intersections I have.
The progress is amazing, but for me, auto-steer is already pretty much what I need. An improved auto-steer without phantom braking or excessive nagging would be great. I hope some of this work into FSD translates into better auto-steer for the rest of us. For driving in the city, what I really want is something that will help to get me out of trouble if someone is about to crash into me, if someone darts into the road, and so on, so a sort of "emergency FSD".
I've tested FSD 11 several times, and even with FSD 12 improving some things, I would find it more stressful to have to babysit the car rather than to just drive myself. For example, just forcing the full stops isn't great when you live in an area that literally has stop signs every 200 feet.
What Tesla is doing is immensely valuable, but will be more useful when it can actually replace a personal vehicle. The "ChatGPT" moment is going to come when they are competing with Waymo, IMO. In that case, maybe I'll care less about the stops.
I've tested FSD 11 several times, and even with FSD 12 improving some things, I would find it more stressful to have to babysit the car rather than to just drive myself. For example, just forcing the full stops isn't great when you live in an area that literally has stop signs every 200 feet.
What Tesla is doing is immensely valuable, but will be more useful when it can actually replace a personal vehicle. The "ChatGPT" moment is going to come when they are competing with Waymo, IMO. In that case, maybe I'll care less about the stops.
scottf200
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Very interesting comparisons chart. Source in tweet below.
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