I think a clue is the license plates. I think I recall that these are Texas manufacturer's plates or some such. A bit uncommon for local Tesla drivers.
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd doesn't read signs properly fsd hard and late braking fsd has decision wobble fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd sometimes may not detect train crossings fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
hey8you
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I agree.
There is a spot where v12 goes too fast for the turn so I always have slow it down before I get there. I daily drive that areas so it helps to know how fast the car should be going.
Level of maturity in this thread is really going up if no one is commenting on the pee control.
Not that the regulars are sometimes maturity-challenged, but there's been a bunch of near-trolls and such over the past few weeks. Wonder if the moderators have been getting busy with the Boot?
You are right about the mandate. Occasionally they now use a "traffic control officer" in the next town but they still use hand gestures. I don't recall where I saw this but adding support for hand gestures may be in v12.5.
There's been occasional cases in Massachusetts where the local cops, upset that they're losing that wonderful overtime pay, arrest the traffic control officers or some such for some random illegality. Strange, or maybe not so strange, that the cops themselves weren't hauled into court for such tactics.
Was fsd using the highway stack or the city stack for you? I mentioned in a previous post that I took a trip to santa cruz over hwy 17 which is notorious for its dangerous and windy roads and it did great, but it was using the city stack which I found odd considering its a highway.
One thing i'll mention is that the hwy was pretty crowded so my car was just following the car ahead of me, so maybe if the road was clear, it may have taken the curves faster.
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They need to fix the fsd shimmy before they can release 12.4.x to the public, or Elon will have egg on his face.Tesla might need to open an office in Chuck's neighborhood given the time and effort they are putting into it. If these TSLA team visits were software release validations we'd be on v13 by now.
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I've seen this comment before but don't recall seeing any post where Elon specifically said the shimmy/wobble would be fixed in v12.4.
Do you have a link to his post?
Still hoping the non-subscribers (like myself) get pushed to 14.8. Would be great for the subscribers that have 3.25 to be part of the 12.4 group though.
There are 3.25 cars going to 14.8 today (reports on here and TeslaFi data) so they aren't keeping all 3.25 cars back waiting for 9.5.
TBH, this looks to me like FSD isn't even engaged. Speed isn't the issue, not following the road is. I drive a highway that is MUCH "more windy" than this, and FSD has no issues with it. (BTW, definitely the 12.3.x stack) Maybe FSD was engaged, maybe it wasn't. But speed isn't the issue. FSD is far from perfect, but this just doesn't look like an FSD error to me. We know for a fact that at the very least the driver was not paying sufficient attention. Given that, and his excuses, my personal opinion is that the driver screwed up and now wants to blame it on FSD.
Elon posted this a month back. Surprised its still there in 12.4. Tesla engineers had at least a month to fix this specific issue.
Of course i'm not sure how easy it is to fix these AI bugs? Does it require a complete re-training of the data? With regular software, the engineers can just add some additional logic. Not sure how that works with AI.
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sleepydoc
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I'm still having problems with it getting into or staying in a turn lane when it needs to go straight. Did it twice on me today. On this one example was in the right lane and forced a lane change a couple of blocks back because I knew it would NOT get over on its own (NEVER does). Then when it get to almost where this Street View is it changes back into the Right Turn lane. Just unbelievable that I set it up to go straight and it managed to fail moving into the turn lane at the last moment. It pulls up to the Light stop line with the FULL intention of going straight and cars in the left lane going straight be damned. I of course disengage and turn right. In the past I have even tried turning on my right signal at the line to force it to honer its mistake but it doesn't care and is ready to go straight.
The CRAZY part is that part of the NHTSA Stop sign recall was that FSD was not allowed to move into a Turn lane and then cut in front of cars going straight. However that is exactly what v12 wants to do ALL the TIME. Please give us rolling Stop signs back and FIX the turn lane problem.
The CRAZY part is that part of the NHTSA Stop sign recall was that FSD was not allowed to move into a Turn lane and then cut in front of cars going straight. However that is exactly what v12 wants to do ALL the TIME. Please give us rolling Stop signs back and FIX the turn lane problem.
I didn't think that the recall was supposed to prevent that, just that it was supposed to signal to indicate it was going to do that before it did it.
Here is the description of the fix in the recall for that: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RMISC-23V085-7352.pdf
It wants to go straight from the turn lane without any signal or indication. Just drive straight at an angle to the left like it is in the correct lane. So that IS a violation.
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I believe the term "repeater" originally referred to a turn signal blinker mounted in that general location. It repeated the other turn signal blinkers. Tesla installed cameras co-located with those blinkers so they became repeater cameras.
Well, it was fixed. But the end-to-end must have broke it.
I guess Tesla needs more sample videos of people signaling when they do that to include in the training. 
(And maybe remove the video clips where the signal isn't used.)Yes it was fixed but v12 has broken it wide open again. Here is the other instance from today and it also drove all the way in the right lane and stayed in it after it became a turn only lane and went straight across at an angle without any signal or indication (light was green). No one was in the Straight lane so I let it play out.Well, it was fixed. But the end-to-end must have broke it.
