Buckminster
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OP 2019 Apple secures funding for Tesla at 520share
This is an outrageous prediction on their part...
This is an outrageous prediction on their part...
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sweter
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Half of Tesla engineers would quit at a whim.
Tesla doesn't need to be acquired either and Musk definitely wouldn't stand to have a boss.
Predictions like that are eyebrow raisers and nothing more.
I agree about personal actions, having lived most of my life totally fossil fuel free, even to the point of cooking with firewood, on sailboats. Often in communities not yet run over by consumerism, which had zero footprint. And it's better living than this American life of shopping. Your list could include 'resist buying so much stuff.' Thank you for the opportunity to present my non-mainstream view of free trade.
jhm
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Thanks.
$230M was due in Nov 2018, and $185M due in Dec 2019. I'm having difficulty finding articles that cover how this was or will be paid.
The crack press was all over this a few months ago when payment was in doubt, now it's crickets.
I'm thinking it is fair to assume that Tesla made its $230M cash payment in November without incident. Otherwise, had there been any hiccup, we'd be swimming in FUD wash.
Buying stuff has lifted hundreds of millions of Chinese out of poverty though, and there are still many people that need to be lifted out of poverty. I promote to make stuff (mostly) carbon free instead of abstaining from consumption.
Hundreds of millions of Chinese have been lured into leaving their communities, culture, and land, and packing into cubicles in ultra polluted cities where they work at uncreative jobs, making the tons of c**p Americans pack their over sized houses with, until they die and a dumpster is filled with all this stuff, sometime not even removed from its packaging.
It sounds like you've had plenty of interesting, fulfilling adventures. There are certainly blessings associated with avoiding consumerism and living a relatively simple life.
One thing you mention, though, is cooking with firewood. On a small scale, that's not a bad thing, and I personally enjoy a fire on occasion. However, massive reliance on firewood for cooking and heating has brought with it air pollution and resulting health issues, deforestation in some areas, and black carbon soot which when blown around the world hastens the melting of snow and icecaps, thus contributing to climate change. Coal, oil, and natural gas, as substitutes for firewood, have improved the quality of life for billions of people.
Of course, with over seven billion people on Earth, we really have no choice but to switch to sustainable energy. I think this transition will be smoothest if we maintain a functioning global economy.
Sounds sort of like a repeat of the Industrial Revolution in the West, actually. It's not pleasant, but there's no going back. Traditional, agrarian societies are only sustainable at far smaller population levels than the present. Rather than attempting to drastically "cull" human numbers (I'm not volunteering for this), I believe it is our destiny to develop the technology necessary to support our numbers in relative comfort.
Tesla is today probably the most important company pushing the "green" technology envelope. As an investor, one wants to be aligned with the future. Hence my oversized TSLA position.
JRP3
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While causing the majority of climate change and potentially endangering every being on the planet.
At some point we are going to be forced to limit human numbers or culling will happen one way or another. The most rational approach is to start actively limiting population growth voluntarily now. Endless population growth is neither sustainable nor desirable.
RobStark
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SK Innovation announces new electric vehicle battery gigafactory in the US
In Georgia. First installment $1B then $700M later.
Maybe 10 GWh initially?
Feeding Hyundai and Mercedes? Later VW and Rivian?
In Georgia. First installment $1B then $700M later.
Maybe 10 GWh initially?
Feeding Hyundai and Mercedes? Later VW and Rivian?
adiggs
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Sort of interesting to me - the article(s) that I've read, nobody has pointed out that we have somebody in a car going down the highway at 70 mph, asleep at the wheel, and he continues that way for minutes before police can bring him safely to a halt without bothering other traffic.
As opposed to what would have happened with approximately every other car on the road - a bad wreck that likely closes a chunk or all of the highway in at least one direction, messes up other people's lives when he hits them, dies himself when he ploughs into a barrier going around a corner, etc..
When was the last time you went to sleep for minutes going 70 on the freeway, and woke up (ever, at all)? Bro shoulda been dead, instead of being a source of a curious news report (and getting booked for driving impaired).
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adiggs
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Watch Hans Rosling's video "Don't Panic". The short version relative to population growth, is that the human population is already stable and on a glide path to ~11B around 2100. It won't keep growing, and in fact has already stopped growing. Each age range (grouped in 15 year increments) is about 2B people, with the older age ranges where the population is filling in - peak child happened decades ago and the 0-15 worldwide population has been stable at ~2B.
Because of better health care, the older age groups are expanding to ~2B from ~1B as people normally get older.
There's a different question whether the globe can handle 11B, but endless population growth has already ended on the planet, and did so decades ago.
Don’t Panic – The Facts About Population
(about an hour - I find it enthralling, and am resisting the urge to go back and watch it again for probably my dozenth time, as I usually do when I dig up the link for somebody)
Makes sense, though I lobby for fossil divestment /renewables investment instead because the financial side is the field I actually know
Yes, it already happened
That is correct. If you look up those SolarCity bonds, they stopped trading about 3 days before maturity, as you'd expect. They've been paid off.
Thanks for the positive comments, I'm always expecting to get trashed for being so counter culture. Couple things about firewood. Modern stoves, like rocket stoves burn smoke free except startup. Carbon black only stays in the air or surface for a matter of hours and soon becomes sequestered so cooking with firewood is carbon negative. Everywhere I've been, Latin America, pacific islands, se asia, there is biomass rotting away unused, like coconut husk and in Malaysia hardwood driftwood from water villages. Philippines is more thrifty but bundles of twigs are sold cheap and non destructive. Nevertheless electric is the future now that its cheap.
While I understand population concerns, to a point, that isn't the source of impact. Any number of pacific islanders living traditionally making what they need and want and singing and dancing all night have zero environmental impact. Everything is so far off the rails now that tesla is our only hope. Once the ff companies have less money for disinformation stoking consumption we will see.
JRP3
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So, if we want to talk about population growth...
...it's very heavily documented that the following will bring population growth to a halt and even turn it slightly negative:
(1) educate women, so they have the skills to do something other than be pregnant all the time
(2) liberate women, so that they have the legal and economic empowerment to do something other than be pregnant all the time
(3) provide comprehensive sex education
(4) provide access to birth control
It turns out that nearly all women don't *want* to be pregnant all the time. The drive for excessive population growth comes from some (certainly not all) men -- men like ibn Saud with his hundred children and essentially-enslaved wives. Get them out of power, within a generation the population stabilizes.
This is only one of the many reasons why my primary charity is Scarleteen, the most popular sex ed website in the English language on the planet. (Another reason is that good sex is one of the great joys of life and people deserve to know how to have good sex safely and consensually. Another is that people deserve to know when they're being abused or in an unhealthy relatioship and how to escape.) If you appreciate my commentary here, consider donating to Scarleteen.
There are groups, unfortunately, which campaign to oppress women, deny access to birth control, prevent sex education, etc. I can only imagine that they are run by men like ibn Saud.
...it's very heavily documented that the following will bring population growth to a halt and even turn it slightly negative:
(1) educate women, so they have the skills to do something other than be pregnant all the time
(2) liberate women, so that they have the legal and economic empowerment to do something other than be pregnant all the time
(3) provide comprehensive sex education
(4) provide access to birth control
It turns out that nearly all women don't *want* to be pregnant all the time. The drive for excessive population growth comes from some (certainly not all) men -- men like ibn Saud with his hundred children and essentially-enslaved wives. Get them out of power, within a generation the population stabilizes.
This is only one of the many reasons why my primary charity is Scarleteen, the most popular sex ed website in the English language on the planet. (Another reason is that good sex is one of the great joys of life and people deserve to know how to have good sex safely and consensually. Another is that people deserve to know when they're being abused or in an unhealthy relatioship and how to escape.) If you appreciate my commentary here, consider donating to Scarleteen.
There are groups, unfortunately, which campaign to oppress women, deny access to birth control, prevent sex education, etc. I can only imagine that they are run by men like ibn Saud.
jhm
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I generally agree here, but for a given Pacific island, there is just a limited number of islanders it can sustain. This goes to JPR3's point about endless population growth. I doubt that the whole planet could sustain 8 billion Pacific Islanders living traditionally, not that I'm opposed to the lifestyle. There just aren't enough islands.
JRP3
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Even the lowest impact lifestyle will still have human waste issues at some population densities. How far do you want to walk to defecate?
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