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FWIW, I spoke with Mike and my understanding is that Evasive does not necessarily think we're going to have problems fitting 9.5" wheels. Rather, they are starting with more stock-like sizes where the poll showed interest. Winter is coming so for those of us who have seasons, there are ~2 months to figure out track sizes before the 3-4 month delivery wait starts to cramp our track style.
Give them a call and report back to confirm that I heard what they intended to say.
Fudge, I might have to change my order from black to bronze for my blue car... Thanks for that
I'm just getting in to aftermarket wheels. I understand the benefits of the forging process and lighter weight, but could someone explain the performance difference (handling, range, ride quality, etc) between our options? It seems the choices are currently:
18x8.5
19x8.5
19x9
Staggered (19x8.5/9)
And that all of these will fit over the P3D+ brakes. What are you choosing and why?
I chose the 19x9 all around. First 18s are out for me since I am getting the MPP big brake kit and that won't fit on 18s. Then I chose the widest 19" available because my P3D suffers greatly from traction. There is a lot of power there and not enough tire contact especially with the stretched tires it came with. Staggered is out of the question for me because I put balanced handling ahead of looks. Larger rear tires will give you under-steer and also lose ability to rotate.I'm just getting in to aftermarket wheels. I understand the benefits of the forging process and lighter weight, but could someone explain the performance difference (handling, range, ride quality, etc) between our options? It seems the choices are currently:
18x8.5
19x8.5
19x9
Staggered (19x8.5/9)
And that all of these will fit over the P3D+ brakes. What are you choosing and why?
yes - I would get black wheels on a white car.What color do y'all think for white?
Xenoilphobe - On the Evasive site, I do not see an option for the 18X9.
Are you going with 18X8.5?
I chose the 19x9 all around. First 18s are out for me since I am getting the MPP big brake kit and that won't fit on 18s. Then I chose the widest 19" available because my P3D suffers greatly from traction. There is a lot of power there and not enough tire contact especially with the stretched tires it came with. Staggered is out of the question for me because I put balanced handling ahead of looks. Larger rear tires will give you under-steer and also lose ability to rotate.
One final push for change, and then I'm done. While I don't want to create dissension, I also don't want to have to wait until after this group buy to start up something new. I really like these wheels, but the fitments just aren't right. @Xenoilphobe you started the poll with mostly stock offsets. People voted on what diameter or maybe width, but "Offset is Everything", and I really believe that people voted disregarding offset. I never cast a vote BECAUSE of the offsets.You set the sizes in stone in less than 2 weeks that felt like forever, but now it is stuck there for 6 months. Evasive wrote me that they also wish that the offsets were more aggressive, but due to the polling, these will be done in the mild offsets. Especially as an owner of a P+ with an extra 3mm of space to work with, 8.5" +40 wheels will actually recede 5mm inward compared to my 20x8.5 +35 and of course 3mm more inward than the regular brake cars will fit. Going the wrong direction, people! Offset can be a tricky thing to wrap your head around, and I'm of the opinion that many voting and even buying are seeing examples of cars with similar designs and more aggressive offset, then thinking that's what they'll receive in an 8.5" +40. It is going to be very flat. So if you've already placed an order for that width/offset wheel, understand what you are getting. Is that look what you expect? Sunken in the wheel well like the factory wheels and with a flat face. Is there a way to ask those who have ordered if they would be open to having a lower offset for greater concavity and more flush to the fenders? I GUARANTEE that even if a couple orders were lost, you'll gain tons more orders by others that are going to have to use VS Forged to get custom offset, milled for the P+, receive sooner, and same price. I like these just enough better that it's worth me putting up this "fight".
I already posted earlier, but here is 8.5" +25. Within the fender completely but low enough offset to have some dish. Really, these could easily go to +20 to equal what 9" +25 is.
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These front wheels are as spot on to what the Titan 7 will look like in 19x8.5 +40. The rears the same protrusion/dish as the 19x9 +35. This is the OG BBS CI-R in the exact same size. So if you get the staggered setup on the group buy, this is the most identical look. Good, but it could be even better. BBS just offers limited fitments. (The silver circle is a stainless steel rim guard on that BBS uses against curb rash)
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My personal ideal fitment is made for the Alfa Romeo 4C rear wheels, but is a strange 5x98 bolt pattern. Titan 7 doesn't have these sitting around without bolt pattern drilled, so it would have to be a new production run. It is 19x9 +25. This is the same size/offset that Mountain Pass Performance has used on the front of their 3 with no rubbing even on coilovers before upgrading to 10" wheels up front. I know this is so close to the offering of 19x9 +35, but I don't want to buy great wheels and STILL run spacers front and rear. That's just crazy. Even if the 8.5" stays at the stock +40, what about bumping thie 19x9 option down to +25? Ask the people who have ordered already if they would be good with it. Again, I don't think they will be against it, and more orders will come in as a result. Also to note, these front 18x8 +30 are 4mm more concavity than 8.5 +40, so it is worth noting as a similar look. You can see that even 4mm makes a difference between this and the BBS above. These wheels extend 16mm beyond the stock Alfa wheels.
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For those that want a wide 18", buy the Titan 7 18x9" +28 for Mitsubishi Evo. It has a 67mm bore, so you could use a hub centric ring if you want to match up to the 3's 64.1, but you don't have to. Evasive will not mill them to fit the 70.5mm needed for the P+ cars and doing so "will void the manufacturer warranty".
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So @Xenoilphobe can buyers be asked if they'd want something more aggressive and amend this? Is it YOU that wants the wheels inward like stock? If so, keep the size you wanted and see about making a change to the others. 8.5" +20, 9" +25.