Driving on rocks... I can't speak for the Mach E, but the Y is fine. Suspension is definitely on the stiffer side, but is still comfy enough for long drives. Now if your point of reference is a Lexus, the Y won't please you.
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Help me decide: Model Y or Mach-E
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Do your due diligence. READ and compare what Tesla offers to Ford should be an easy decision. One reason to buy a Tesla and not a Mach E. Tesla sells the best EV in the world. Tesla has an established infrastructure that is reliable [works] better than Electrified America. Tesla is offering FREE super charging during the holiday. Ford doesn't.
Did you quote the wrong post? There wasn't anything about Ford or Mach-E in my post that you quoted.
Tesla is offering free charging for a few high peak days during off hours to spread people out bc they know their network will be overloaded…. Big deal? Hardly…
Yeah, ea is often free on high volume days. It really doesn't make a difference, and the stations still don't end up being busy here.
sleepydoc
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Just saw a report that Ford is halting MME deliveries because of a defective seat belt bracket meaning a lot of people are going to miss their tax credit.
Just to be pedantic, it may *delay* claiming by a year if they can't take delivery in 2021, but there is no *miss* .
I wonder how many people who think like this, actually, have any real-world experience with non-Tesla EV's and non-Tesla charging networks. Or are they just spreading information they saw on some Youtube video?
From the overwhelming majority of ID4, Mach-E, etc owners.. seems they have no problem finding reliable charging and taking long road trips, even cross-country. If anything because the real-world mileage of their vehicles is generally much closer (or even underrated) to EPA ratings.. they seem to be less concerned with any range anxiety.
My wife recently bought an ID.4 and I can't wait to drive it from DC to NYC and back this Christmas weekend. Just to see how much of a headache non-Tesla charging is supposed to be.. vs my year-long experience with my Model Y with 13K miles. We expect to do about 500 miles of driving roundtrip and I will definitely report back after NYE.
In the real world, the EPA number doesn't matter. Whether they match their EPA estimate or not, the Teslas go farther. The trip planning tools in the Teslas are better too.
Having said that, traveling in a non-Tesla shouldn't be that bad. I've used a few EA stations with the chademo adapter, and they aren't awful. The biggest issue that I see is that placement isn't always quite as good in my area, as the EA network looks more like the Tesla network from ~3 years ago than today. The other networks fill in the gaps a little, but aren't great to depend on as there are lots of 50kw single stall locations, often with terrible pricing. Also, at almost every EA stop where I saw someone else there, I'd see at least one failed start and often a support call. I wouldn't personally be upset about that if it happened to me, and similar things have happened at one or two superchargers, but the rate at EA seems to be worse.
For me, its close enough that it wouldn't make me pick one car over the other. I'd just pick the one that I want to drive more.
Icing on the Tesla cake! The latest of many over the air upgrades is that you can now monitor the cameras in sentry mode from the app and even beep at or speak to anyone around the car... "Step away from the car."
The difference with a Tesla from all the others is that they are designed from the ground up to be BEVs, Aerodynamics before styling rather than marketing styling before aerodynamics in the Mach E. They have state of the art coordinated engineering in all systems, batteries, battery management, tech, and constant improvement - i.e., heat pump with octovalve to manage cooling and heating with both the cabin and battery, single piece castings for simplifying manufacture and build accuracy. The Model Y gets equivalent real-world range (better in winter) with a much smaller battery than the Ford and weighs 400 pounds less. Over life it will cost less to charge including better rates for DC charging via Superchargers. What can I say? In addition to the massive tech and entertainment, the cars are factory equipped with the FSD computer so they can take advantage of buying or leasing current FSD features plus the FSD that is progressing nicely in beta. When navigate on city streets id added to navigate on highways, you can bet I will subscribe to it for $200 a month.
While there are styling opinions that some can't get over, in my opinion there is no coherent reason to pick a Mach E over a Model Y even with the tax credit. There is so significant difference in pricing matching all Model Y features, absent the credits or with equal credits.
BTW, my Model Y build quality was flawless.
The difference with a Tesla from all the others is that they are designed from the ground up to be BEVs, Aerodynamics before styling rather than marketing styling before aerodynamics in the Mach E. They have state of the art coordinated engineering in all systems, batteries, battery management, tech, and constant improvement - i.e., heat pump with octovalve to manage cooling and heating with both the cabin and battery, single piece castings for simplifying manufacture and build accuracy. The Model Y gets equivalent real-world range (better in winter) with a much smaller battery than the Ford and weighs 400 pounds less. Over life it will cost less to charge including better rates for DC charging via Superchargers. What can I say? In addition to the massive tech and entertainment, the cars are factory equipped with the FSD computer so they can take advantage of buying or leasing current FSD features plus the FSD that is progressing nicely in beta. When navigate on city streets id added to navigate on highways, you can bet I will subscribe to it for $200 a month.
While there are styling opinions that some can't get over, in my opinion there is no coherent reason to pick a Mach E over a Model Y even with the tax credit. There is so significant difference in pricing matching all Model Y features, absent the credits or with equal credits.
BTW, my Model Y build quality was flawless.
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But I live in DC. Should I also be concerned about charging network in Buenos Aires?
Thank you for sharing your real world experience. The size & reliability of the charging network was certainly one of major reasons I picked Tesla as my EV choice. That said now that I’ve had my car for year and put a ton of miles on it.. it’s pretty easy to come to realization that 1) I do 99% of my charging at home and 2) wherever I’m realistically road tripping in a vehicle there are a ton of available chargers.In the real world, the EPA number doesn't matter. Whether they match their EPA estimate or not, the Teslas go farther. The trip planning tools in the Teslas are better too.
Having said that, traveling in a non-Tesla shouldn't be that bad. I've used a few EA stations with the chademo adapter, and they aren't awful. The biggest issue that I see is that placement isn't always quite as good in my area, as the EA network looks more like the Tesla network from ~3 years ago than today. The other networks fill in the gaps a little, but aren't great to depend on as there are lots of 50kw single stall locations, often with terrible pricing. Also, at almost every EA stop where I saw someone else there, I'd see at least one failed start and often a support call. I wouldn't personally be upset about that if it happened to me, and similar things have happened at one or two superchargers, but the rate at EA seems to be worse.
For me, its close enough that it wouldn't make me pick one car over the other. I'd just pick the one that I want to drive more.
Things will certainly be a lot more interesting a few years when I decide to sell or trade my Model Y for something else. I’d imagine charging networks will be very little concern. Especially so if Tesla opens their SC network.
What you said is absolutely true, but people do what they doIcing on the Tesla cake! The latest of many over the air upgrades is that you can now monitor the cameras in sentry mode from the app and even beep at or speak to anyone around the car... "Step away from the car."
The difference with a Tesla from all the others is that they are designed from the ground up to be BEVs, Aerodynamics before styling rather than marketing styling before aerodynamics in the Mach E. They have state of the art coordinated engineering in all systems, batteries, battery management, tech, and constant improvement - i.e., heat pump with octovalve to manage cooling and heating with both the cabin and battery, single piece castings for simplifying manufacture and build accuracy. The Model Y gets equivalent real-world range (better in winter) with a much smaller battery than the Ford and weighs 400 pounds less. Over life it will cost less to charge including better rates for DC charging via Superchargers. What can I say? In addition to the massive tech and entertainment, the cars are factory equipped with the FSD computer so they can take advantage of buying or leasing current FSD features plus the FSD that is progressing nicely in beta. When navigate on city streets id added to navigate on highways, you can bet I will subscribe to it for $200 a month.
While there are styling opinions that some can't get over, in my opinion there is no coherent reason to pick a Mach E over a Model Y even with the tax credit. There is so significant difference in pricing matching all Model Y features, absent the credits or with equal credits.
BTW, my Model Y build quality was flawless.
.My YLR also works perfectly fine (have been back to SC only once due to AC sensor recall). I think people put Tesla under a microscope. I never thought much about panel gaps until now, and I went back to look and found panel gaps in my ICE cars too!
UM----YEA....just curious, what other EV's you've owned, and done any cross country trips? I'm asking cause crossed USA with a AZURE, LEVEL II only, and a bolt with a camper back there. My post was a combo of real world vs some sarcasm, two chargers in heavily EV owed areas with only Electrify America, 4 CCS, only 2 work, trouble tickets in since AUG.. your turn, my two favorites are Snoqualmie pass Washington state, and going to Denver----Denver is great seeing everyone crowd around a 14-50 plug to get "OVER" the hump...BUT HEA, WHAT happened TO HELPING pEPP_O_RONI FIND HIS DREAM CAR, not defend a charging group you have a financial interest in.
Steve
No need to get angry. I was literally asking a question. Which was if your charging experience was credible.. or were you sharing something from YouTube videos??
To answer your question I've owned a Model Y for about 10th months now. My wife has owned an ID4 for about two weeks now. I like looking forward to learning more about the EV experience with both vehicles and MOST owners of newer EV's like the ID4, MME, Taycan, etc seem to have no problem using EA chargers. I now belong to quite a few EV forums and seems everyone is able to charge their vehicles just fine on longer road trips. Im not sure if I've read any report from an actual IDE, MME, Taycan owner that couldn't reach their destination because of failed chargers or lack of charging network.
I also have zero financial interest in any charging group. So I have no idea where you got that from unless you literally just made it up.
FWIW.. we aren't driving any vehicle more than about 500 miles roundtrip. And longest of those trips will probably be up & down the East Coast on I-95.. as we live in DC but have close family in VA & NYC. Any further than about 250 miles driving in any direction away from our home, means I'll be jumping on a plane. So I can absolutely guarantee you that we will never drive any vehicle (ICE, Hybrid, EV, etc) to somewhere like Washington state, Denver, or any of those other places you are naming.. where charging was apparently so difficult.
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Didn't know there were youtube reliability videos of people getting full poopy-face over the charger experience. "MY" super awsome experience has been mine, and fellow non-tesla owners putting in a excel with who, what, where has screwed you, then contact the company, not make a youtube cause your tiny feelings got smooshed....I'm guessing the angry is your own feelings, hahahaha. and really, what does this all have to do with, a model y vs a MACH... stay classy, so you do have an interest...though so
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Can somebody translate what this guy is saying? lol
It's like he's trying to be some type of internet tough guy.. but also doesn't seem to type or speak English very well.
It's like he's trying to be some type of internet tough guy.. but also doesn't seem to type or speak English very well.
Well, yes if you recommend a vehicle generally, not just for you place. For example, I can recommend you a nice kitchen mixer, it works great on 220V that I can easily find in my house because I have a 110V to 220V step-up transformer.
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