I didn't say it was better. I said it is what most Americans deem affordable and mass market at 20kThe Camry is still better though, right?
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I didn't say it was better. I said it is what most Americans deem affordable and mass market at 20kThe Camry is still better though, right?
Please show us where Elon/Tesla said "mass market affordable car"? I'll be here waiting.
So what are they waiting for? Why haven't nearly half of the 455,000 people with preorders (as of a month ago) canceled yet? The pricing information is out there for everyone to see. Why did net preorders continue to climb after the reveal?My point is Tesla assured a mass market affordable car and probably 200k people will cancel when they see the true price of the car.
Yes, I wish they'd get on with it. I'm way down the line... Please cancel!So what are they waiting for? Why haven't nearly half of the 455,000 people with preorders (as of a month ago) canceled yet? The pricing information is out there for everyone to see. Why did net preorders continue to climb after the reveal?
If you listen to the reveal video for the Model 3, or a recent Tesla investor call, Musk references cars in the entry luxury class. Audi A4, Mercedes Benz C300, and BMW. I don't think it's intended to compete with the venerable Camry.I don't agree - Tesla is trying to take market share from people who normally wouldn't have purchased an electric car by making it "affordable". People want the cool tesla factor and for right now think they can get that for 35k
With one big caveat: the ASP includes SUVs and trucks.First:
Mass market does not mean affordable and affordable does not mean mass market.
Second:
As of July 2017 the average sale price of a new vehicle was $34,721.
Average sale price for an EV is $37,976
Average sale price for an entry level luxury car is $41,989
Assuming a normal distribution, these prices mean that half the sales are greater than this and half the sales are below this. Half the people in the market for a new vehicle can afford a Model 3.
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True (which is why I said vehicle instead of car), but the entry level luxury car ASP at $41,989 does not include trucks or CUV/SUVs.With one big caveat: the ASP includes SUVs and trucks.
Exactly, the Camry V6 XLE starts at $34,400 They even have some colors that you can't even buy without upgrading to the driver assistance package. You have to add that package if you want navigation so now you're up to $36,390 (for a Camry no less)a large swath of the Accord/Camry market buy more expensive trims and pay close to $30k so the better question here is whether the base Model 3
Tesla was right when they said the model S is far superior. You are better off getting a used model S from the prices I've seen. I also cannot believe the loaded base model of the 3 is 59k. That is absurd
Can you imagine Toyota charging 1,000 for any other Camry paint than black?
35k is now 36k
Even with a gov credit that car is now 27,500 7,000 more than a 2017 Camry SE on clearance
Most people will not get this credit
But what about the wheels? If you want anything other than the lame aero wheels its now 37,500?
So 35k is now 37,500. We are getting into a range that is about 10k more than the average US car
But add the roof and base auto pilot and now we are at near 47k???
Please explain how 47k is a mass market affordable car?
Tesla was right when they said the model S is far superior. You are better off getting a used model S from the prices I've seen. I also cannot believe the loaded base model of the 3 is 59k. That is absurd
Right. Infact it is close to what the first Nissan Leafs sold for in 2011.The only issue I have are with the options pricing. IMO, some of them are priced high (especially the LR battery). However; overall, I've come to admit that 35K is an excellent price point for the M3.
I didn't say it was better. I said it is what most Americans deem affordable and mass market at 20k
Well, you are wrong.I don't agree - Tesla is trying to take market share from people who normally wouldn't have purchased an electric car by making it "affordable". People want the cool tesla factor and for right now think they can get that for 35k