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No. X buyers and 3 buyers are different markets with minimal overlap. A base X is almost twice the price of a base 3.If demand for M3 stays high, will they offer discounts on X or other value-adds?
Ha - sadly no. Just a guy who's had an M3 reservation for over a year but now my wife and I are expecting our first child in November so we're now considering the X.
LMK if there's any other way I can prove myself =)
Because of this, I don't think there will be a change in demand for the X that might convince Tesla to make new incentives in the short term.
Just curious what people think. For example:
Thanks!
- If demand for M3 stays high, will they offer discounts on X or other value-adds?
- Any concern with production quality or are the factories and teams completely separate?
- Anything else you can think of?
I'm curious about all of the speculation above since it seems mostly based on hope.
-2170 cells: Elon has already said there is no plan to bring those cells to the S and X this year. I wouldn't expect to see those cells until they introduce a new set of battery capacities to the S and X and for this year there appears to be no need.
- HUD: Every rumor about a HUD starts with the Model 3 because people can't believe that it has only a central display. Tesla is actively moving towards a future of autonomous driving. There is no place or need for a HUD in that world.
- Interior refresh: Tesla hired Volvo's interior engineer, not their designer. That will result in the interior being put together with better quality, not a different design. There's been nothing to indicate they're considering a redesign and if they do, the 3 suggests their design language hasn't changed much.
Tesla needs the S and X to be stable for some time longer to recoup their capital investment and generate some margin. The S is longer in tooth so it's more likely to see meaningful updates than the X.
Both cars continue to see incremental updates on an ongoing basis. This is like buying the latest mac. Best time to buy is after the latest revision, as big or minor as it may be. The new rear drive unit and focus on 75 and 100 battery packs qualifies for the X for this quarter.
Ha - sadly no. Just a guy who's had an M3 reservation for over a year but now my wife and I are expecting our first child in November so we're now considering the X.
LMK if there's any other way I can prove myself =)
Elon did recently say that there were no plans to upgrade Model X/S with 2170 cells.
But only a month earlier he stated that 2170 cells would be in the X/S before end of year, seemingly in contradiction with his later statement.
This could mean that they haven't defined a 2170 upgrade schedule yet, but they may have the intention of upgrading them before year end.
With regards to a HUD, this was always just a rumour based on the lack of a Instrument Console in the 3. Is there any point in spending valuable R&D time and money on a solution that would become obsolete in 2-3 years?
Contracts with Panasonic can definitely affect things, but I have no knowledge of their contracts. Tesla will always need cells from Panasonic, does it matter if they fulfill 18650 cells or 2170 cells?My personal opinion is that they have to fulfill their contract with the original battery Manufacture (Panasonic) by buying/using the cells that they were contracted to use...once that's done the change will probably happen right away.
This will also be when 100+KWH batteries will happen, even though Elon has said no bigger than 100 it would be unlike Tesla to keep innovating and getting the max range possible out of their vehicles.
true simply saving weight could gain a few miles, 800V charging would be nice or at least 350KW+ at 400V & a 10-12 year warranty instead of 8 year would all be great selling points.Contracts with Panasonic can definitely affect things, but I have no knowledge of their contracts. Tesla will always need cells from Panasonic, does it matter if they fulfill 18650 cells or 2170 cells?
With regards to bigger batteries, I too wouldn't be surprised if they come out with a 100+ kwh battery. However, they can still innovate with Battery technology while keeping the same kwh. For example, they can produce:
- higher density batteries (same capacity, but lower weight)
- batteries that can charge/discharge faster
- batteries with better longevity
Ha - sadly no. Just a guy who's had an M3 reservation for over a year but now my wife and I are expecting our first child in November so we're now considering the X.
LMK if there's any other way I can prove myself =)
Mostly your points are answered with a simple: I guess many of us don't believe Tesla/Elon when it comes to such statements or find them likely misleading. It is in Tesla's interest to not disclose future plans.