Well, 4 corners, 4 low sides, 2 windshield, and 1 interior is 11. Hardly copying anyone when that's just the practical choice for best detecting cross traffic and low things when parking.
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stopcrazypp
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Mentioned that this camera might help with the curbing/low object incidents FSD Beta has seen (although this was before occupancy network):
Called it more than a year ago, even the possibility of new signal wires:
Nah these are surround view cameras that other cars have had for almost a decade. They are not bumper cameras, the cameras on the side mirrors, front bumper and rear.
stopcrazypp
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The Tesla layout, plus additional low cameras for parking (called surround view cameras AKA SVC) is a fairly standard layout, that others use too (including Nvidia Hyperion).
Long thread that discussed this also:
Rumor: HW4 will have 13 cameras
He argues Tesla's 8 camera layout was a copy of Mobileye already, so by extension the addition of parking cameras is also a copy. This is disputed in that thread back then, especially the timing of presentations and prior art.
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Nah, SVC are surround view cameras, which are also called parking cameras.
These are pretty standard cameras that are used for bird's eye view feature and for ADAS.
You will find these cameras on any recent car, just go outside and look.
There are 2x on the side mirrors and one on the front bumper and the other on the rear.
So no dual repeater cameras or anything like that.
Not quite, Mobileye invented the trifocal camera and even have a patent for it which Tesla copied.
Same with the 8 camera setup which Tesla also copied.
Then years later in 2017/2018 Mobileye added 4x parking cameras making it 12.
Then they increased the quality of their cameras from ~1mp to 8mp and reduced the number of front cameras from 3 to 2.
Mobileye dropped the fisheye camera and kept the Main and Narrow windshield camera.
Tesla is also copying that now. While also adding the 4x parking cameras.
So its:
- 2x forward cameras (main & narrow)
- 2x rear looking repeater cameras (both sides)
- 2x forward looking camera (both sides)
- 4x parking cameras / surround view cameras (2x side mirrors, front bumper, rear)
- 1x rear facing camera (this is the only difference that Mobileye has that Tesla's new setup does not have)
Mobileye's patent
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20150103159A1/en
Mobileye's trifocal camera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjRtGKtwOlc
Mobileye already had dozens of automakers testing out the setup and chip in 2014. One of them being Volvo.
Volvo using Mobileye's Trifocal Camera
Mobileye also sent Tesla the trifocal camera before they cloned it.
Tesla Model S test vehicle with multiple cameras spotted near San Francisco
Mobileye previous 8 camera setup
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Mobileye's new 8mp binocular/dual camera
Daniel in SD
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It’s not “a good thing” when they can’t deliver on the promises made to customers in earlier iterations.
I hope Tesla recognizes the irony of dumping Mobileye as a partner 8 years ago only to wind up with strikingly similar technology.
Imagine what all those wasted resources could have done for fixing panel gaps.
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stopcrazypp
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The 4 cameras I quoted are called:
L-FF-Side
R-FF-Side
L-FF-Rear
R-FF-Rear
The 3 SVCs are different cameras completely:
F-SVC
L-SVC
R-SVC
You keep claiming Tesla copied the 8 camera layout when the presentation you quoted was from 2016 and Tesla spy photos shows Tesla have been testing the 8 camera layout (plus other cameras including bumper cameras) since at least mid-2015. It was Mobileye that later came out in November 2015 and said they were working with an Automaker with 8 cameras, so it's just as likely they threw Tesla's layout onto the presentation, instead of the other way around.
Rumor: HW4 can support up to 13 cameras
Mostly thinking of the data itself, not the training - outside of simulation it will take a bit of time to collect a similar variety of data they have collected already using cams with different specs They will be selling a million cars or more a year. Within one year those cars would have...
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Maybe they did maybe they didn’t - I don’t think it matters either way, except probably for Tesla’s bottom line if they’re infringing on patents and this somehow prevents the release of this hardware to consumers. Don’t think anyone’s claiming this is revolutionary state of the art SDC equipment, except possibly when compared to HW3
What's notable about the additional cameras is that - unlike other changes to the FSD program - this problem could and should have been identified back in 2016.
Back then they definitely didn't know (and couldn't have anticipated) the correct approaches to developing and training the neural nets, how to build the occupancy network, path planning, etc. etc. The iterative approach they have taken was the only way to get there.
But when they designed HW2 back in 2016, they should have identified these visibility issues. No matter how good the software might become, it wasn't going to magically be able to see around corners.
Back then they definitely didn't know (and couldn't have anticipated) the correct approaches to developing and training the neural nets, how to build the occupancy network, path planning, etc. etc. The iterative approach they have taken was the only way to get there.
But when they designed HW2 back in 2016, they should have identified these visibility issues. No matter how good the software might become, it wasn't going to magically be able to see around corners.
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