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steilkurve
Member
Add Canada to the list. Cameras in the bumper? They will be inoperable from November to April here unless you bring your Tesla to the carwash on the way to and from your destination. And even then...
stopcrazypp
Well-Known Member
If you dig back to 2015, the cameras they tested included bumper cameras. They apparently decided they were not necessary back then. But given the curbing incidents with FSD Beta (plus their autoparking still being subpar compared to the rest of the industry), perhaps they felt they miscalculated.
Rumor: HW4 will have 13 cameras
The engineers *did* identify the lack of camera coverage as an issue from my understanding.
Elon overruled them and claimed things like Birds Eye view could be stitched together with software. Just like how he claims vision can replace radar. That’s a big “NOPE” on both counts. And no one wants to upset the head twit.
As with anything, It could be done, just that nobody has been able to do it, yet.
Ummmm…that’s the point. It cannot be done. There are limitations to what can be done with software. And the addition of the new cameras is Tesla’s official capitulation.
Birds Eye view has been around since 2012. What was the point of omitting the feature and spending god knows how much in time, resources, and credibility just to fall flat on your face?
yes we got screwed big time, and imagine the people who are paying 15K now to get delivery. Morally wrong
lol thats what I was thinking. Didnt they say Vision only is the only way, and radar can give contradictory information that would cloud vision and cause problems...
I was thinking how the the front camera can see through the car's frunk.. but didn't they ship cars without the bumper camera and no USS ready in model 3s? how are they gonna solve that?
BitJam
Active Member
The definition is trivial: Tesla takes on the liability when the car causes accidents.
Unfortunately, we seem to be far far away from this. The differences between hw3 and hw4 seem minuscule compared to how far away Tesla is from taking on the liability. There is no need to get bent out of shape about no retrofits (not saying you are) if hw4 can't achieve true autonomy either.
I bought my 2022 Model S six months and purchased FSD up front because it was implied that this car would be future-proof and capable of eventually driving itself door to door without human intervention. Elon just devalued my car since it appears HW3.0 won’t quite become the level and capability of FSD the he claimed. Let the lawsuits begin….Ugh, if there is no retrofit path then this is going to quickly spiral into a giant lawsuit mess on the contention that the additional sensors are proof prima facie that Tesla can't achieve FSD with the existing sensor suite. I was really hoping that they were going to have an upgrade path that would result in the HW3 people with FSD not being completely defrauded.
Continuing to sell FSD with the pre-existing promises while this is right around the corner is quickly looking like absurdly disgusting behavior!
Same, except I bought MX Plaid with FSD. Lawsuits should begin rolling. The audacity to keep repeating every few months Teslas are appreciating asset and make money for you.
Tesla says its self-driving technology may be a 'failure' — but not fraud
In a class-action lawsuit, customers say they were duped by Tesla's $15,000 Full Self-Driving feature. Company lawyers say failure isn't fraud.
www.latimes.com
It's one thing to say it once, but to claim these on Twitter, investor days, and interviews repeatedly... is beyond ridiculous.
Many will not question this as they are benefiting from Tesla stock price including many Tesla owners.
The perfect example of Elizabeth Holmes case and Trevor Milton.
March first will be a disappointment for millions of customers who believed in Elon's claims
Yes, but you missed the part where he said that HD Radar would change that thought.
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