I just bought a 2019 Model S with EAP. No traffic light control.

[Tdblanchard]

So I'm not really interested in FSD. But I'm super pumped about EAP with traffic light and stop sign control.
I thought I'd have it with this car but it turns out I don't :-(
I have Extended Autopilot (which is great BTW) but I'd really like to get the traffic light / stop sign control.
It looks like the only way to get that is to pay for a hardware upgrade to the tune of $1500.
Is that really the case??

 

[cowleggies]

Yes, if your car has the HW2.5 computer, you will need to upgrade to HW3 (Full Self-Driving Computer) to get all EAP functionality like traffic light and stop sign control.

 

[MrBadger]

From what you say, sounds like you either have an MCU 1 and/or Autopilot 2.x? Probably borderline 2019 wrt cutoff dates but if you don’t know you should be able to check from system information menu in the car.

I don’t know about MCU 1 but I think stop sign control requires HW3 aka FSD computer hardware. If you have the FSD software option (rather than EAP) then HW3 should be a free upgrade.

Tbh stop sign control for me is not great and after the car detected phantom traffic lights on motorway/A roads that I needed to confirm to prevent car stopping I turned that option off. In it’s own right if me, certainly wouldn’t warrant paying an upgrade just to get that functionality but next few months may be interesting with HW3 (or overdue HW4) becoming more interesting for other reasons.

 

[2101Guy]

not really worth it. Ex: If you are in the left turn lane which is controlled via an arrow and to the right of you are lanes that are going straight with their own turn signal? The system gets confused and may or may not beep accurately.

 

[Tdblanchard]

Honestly, it's the "hey dummy, look up!" alert I want for when the light turns green and I'm still scrolling ;-)

 

[2101Guy]

Honestly, it's the "hey dummy, look up!" alert I want for when the light turns green and I'm still scrolling ;-)

understood. Doesnt always do that though. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. So quite possible to still be at the light scrolling through IG and FB and Tick Tock, light turns green, no chime, and you still get honked at

 

[Dewg]

Honestly, it's the "hey dummy, look up!" alert I want for when the light turns green and I'm still scrolling ;-)

It works the vast majority of the time. As 2101 mentioned, there are sometimes, when in a controlled left turn lane, where it dings when the main lanes light changes green, but you're still on a red arrow. In these cases, it will not ding when your arrow changes green. I have yet to have it fail while in a main travel lane, only when in a controlled left turn lane. I'll also add that I've never had it fail while in the most left lane of multi left turn lanes.

 

[Tdblanchard]

SC is quoting $1500 to upgrade to AP 3.0 from 2.5.
I find it odd that I've got "Enhanced Autopilot" but still have to pay $1500 to get my car ready for FSD if I decide to pay the $100 per month subscription fee.

 

[2101Guy]

SC is quoting $1500 to upgrade to AP 3.0 from 2.5.
I find it odd that I've got "Enhanced Autopilot" but still have to pay $1500 to get my car ready for FSD if I decide to pay the $100 per month subscription fee.

Tesla loses case over self-driving guarantees after not showing up to court

Tesla was ordered to pay the plaintiff $1,657.50, after he alleged the company broke its self-driving promises for the Model 3.

www.cbtnews.com

 

[Tdblanchard]

Oddly, the app tells me it’s $1,000. That’s a $500 difference!
I’d love to get it for free…

 

[Tdblanchard]

Interestingly this turned up on the web…

Tesla ordered to upgrade self-driving computer for free due to 'false advertising'

A judge ordered Tesla to upgrade a customer's self-driving computer for free so they can subscribe to the Full Self-Driving program.

electrek.co

Also, there’s this:

 

[EVRider-FL]

So I'm not really interested in FSD. But I'm super pumped about EAP with traffic light and stop sign control.
I thought I'd have it with this car but it turns out I don't :-(
I have Extended Autopilot (which is great BTW) but I'd really like to get the traffic light / stop sign control.
It looks like the only way to get that is to pay for a hardware upgrade to the tune of $1500.
Is that really the case??

EAP doesn’t have traffic light and stop control, regardless of your hardware. You need the FSD option and HW3 for that.

 

[JulienW]

EAP doesn’t have traffic light and stop control, regardless of your hardware. You need the FSD option and HW3 for that.

 

[2101Guy]

EAP doesn’t have traffic light and stop control, regardless of your hardware. You need the FSD option and HW3 for that.

 

[EVRider-FL]

Did you see the post right above yours?

 

[dbldwn02]

Did you see the post right above yours?

I could be wrong, but I believe 2019 EAP and 2022/23 EAP are significantly different. Stop Light Control and Green Light Chime are two different features.

 

[EVRider-FL]

I could be wrong, but I believe 2019 EAP and 2022/23 EAP are significantly different. Stop Light Control and Green Light Chime are two different features.

The OP was about traffic light and stop sign control, and those require FSD. The green light chime was initially FSD only, but now I think it’s available even with basic AP, though it requires HW3.

 

[Tdblanchard]

The OP was about traffic light and stop sign control, and those require FSD. The green light chime was initially FSD only, but now I think it’s available even with basic AP, though it requires HW3.

My car is at the SC right now getting the FSD upgrade (HW3) so that I can *maybe* subscribe to FSD. I really only want it for the green light chime. They're doing it for free.