geoffmanley
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I'm interested in someone de-noising my car as well. Tesla used to repair it even when I had 40k miles on the car. Recently they said it's not covered under the ESA.
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I see. Yes, "pros and cons."
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CO2 level highest in human history - USA TODAY, 5/14/2019
Key quotes, truncated, as some have made up their minds and prefer to not be bothered with any facts:
“We don’t know a planet like this,” Eric Holthaus, a meteorologist and writer at Grist, an online environmental magazine, posted on Twitter.
Carbon dioxide (CO2) concentrations have skyrocketed far higher than any levels in more than 800,000 years, according to data from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California-San Diego.
“This is the first time in human history our planet’s atmosphere has had more than 415 ppm CO2,” Holthaus tweeted. “Not just in recorded history, not just since the invention of agriculture 10,000 years ago. Since before modern humans existed millions of years ago.”
Carbon dioxide levels millions of years ago were higher than 2019 levels, but Earth’s temperatures also were far higher. In the 800,000 years before the Industrial Revolution, CO2 levels didn’t surpass 300 parts per million.
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IslandHydro
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My 15 P85D is really quiet. The factor that I haven't seen discussed in this thread is how the car has been taken care of. If a car (really any car) is constantly doing rough roads at speeds such that the car is getting jarred, it'll end up being a rattle trap, no matter the brand / build quality. I also think the fact that there is no engine / exhaust noise in our S's make what rattles there are much more apparent.
arlorose
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Chiming in to say I’d love to know if someone does this. My first S was a nightmare made worse by service, and I’ve avoided taking my second one in like the plague. It rattles a lot, but I know once panels start popping off for discovery, I’ll get it back with a whole host of new issues. I’d rather have someone do a thorough, full-car, de-noising.
And when I travel, I have no choice but an ICE rental. They are very quiet cars these days. So much so that BMW pipes fake engine noise into the cabin on M models. My wife has a BMW that is silent. And when she has a rattle, BMW service takes care of it. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not going back to ICE cars, having owned two Model S, and an BMW i3, I am eagerly awaiting BMW to make a normal electric car.
And when I travel, I have no choice but an ICE rental. They are very quiet cars these days. So much so that BMW pipes fake engine noise into the cabin on M models. My wife has a BMW that is silent. And when she has a rattle, BMW service takes care of it. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not going back to ICE cars, having owned two Model S, and an BMW i3, I am eagerly awaiting BMW to make a normal electric car.
Both of my Tesla vehicles have been totally babied. They have never been driven on rough roads, or in any manner that would cause rattles to develop in any other sort of car. Teslas are simply not made very well anymore. The rattles often begin within a few days of delivery. And the rattles are definitely not rattles that an ICE car’s engine would cover up.
it certainly speaks highly of Tesla‘s technology that we keep buying their cars, all the while knowing that the poor build brings about rattles, squeaks and vibrations. I, too, can’t wait till other car manufacturers (who actually care about build quality and their customers) start making aesthetically-pleasing electric cars.
In the meantime, someone could have quite a nice little career going by going into business de-noising Tesla cars. The sad thing is that the technicians know how to do it, but they are just not allowed. Pretty crazy if you ask me!
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There’s a thread on here somewhere about this service. They add a couple hundred pounds of soundproofing to key areas of the car.
I think this might be what I remember:
Photos of car interior taken apart for sound deadening
I think this might be what I remember:
Photos of car interior taken apart for sound deadening
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I had a rattle in the center of the dash towards the mesh, the technician that test drove with me recognized the rattle and said not in dash, it was the one of the strut brace creating it. SC added insulated the mount point and the rattle went away.
A couple of things.
Check out the published sound meter results. The S is a quiet car.
I personally don't see a trend in a bad way. A friends 2014 (in 2015) had more rattles than my 2015 ever did. I had a loaner 100D once - so it must have been 2018 at least and it was perfectly quiet/rattle free. Other loaners have been older than my car and weren't bad but had more rattles.
So at least in my experience, the trend has been towards less rattles.
My car had 79k on it. It has a few but I haven't chased them down. They seem really easy to fix - but minor enough that I haven't bothered.
Everyone's tolerance for these things is different. I am more particular than my friends.
Someone who reports having 19 loaners in a year and then buys another car from that manufacturer maybe really unlucky and/or outside of normal tolerances for things. 19? - I have had 3 or 4 in 4.5 years and 79k miles.
Check out the published sound meter results. The S is a quiet car.
I personally don't see a trend in a bad way. A friends 2014 (in 2015) had more rattles than my 2015 ever did. I had a loaner 100D once - so it must have been 2018 at least and it was perfectly quiet/rattle free. Other loaners have been older than my car and weren't bad but had more rattles.
So at least in my experience, the trend has been towards less rattles.
My car had 79k on it. It has a few but I haven't chased them down. They seem really easy to fix - but minor enough that I haven't bothered.
Everyone's tolerance for these things is different. I am more particular than my friends.
Someone who reports having 19 loaners in a year and then buys another car from that manufacturer maybe really unlucky and/or outside of normal tolerances for things. 19? - I have had 3 or 4 in 4.5 years and 79k miles.
Just to clarify, no need to remove dash for this. SC based there fix on TSB SB-17-31-002 but added insulation in addition to proper torque if I understand correctly the description given to me by the technician. I didn't look yet if I can see what was added. Also the test procedure for this is partially in TSB SB-18-31-009 step 3 ("e. Lift the shock tower braces away from the shock towers, and then insert a double-folded shop towel between the braces and towers so that they do not make contact or transfer vibration to each other (Figure 2).")
I looked into doing this myself but can is under warranty and already had an appointment for another thing. If the noise is in the middle where the two tower brace meet then is more work to access and require tools like wiper arm puller (in my case the issue was only on the right brace tower so they didn't have to keep my car for long).
Btw, this was the last rattle I had left, and the car is now very quiet. All rattle that I had in the car where there from the beginning, panoroof (I added some felt along the front edge), passenger door (SC fix that one because the trim popped out a little, just replaced the clip while I waited), the back hatch that had many rattle, I removed and applied felt everywhere when installing a back dashcam before sentry even existed and two or three other areas in the trunk (one was a missing screw holding the trim for the trunk cover).
I also had a loaner that was a signature edition that had no rattle at all when SC was fixing my brace rattle.
"Check out the published sound meter results. The S is a quiet car."
Go ride in a MB GLE-350 on a concrete road. Believe your own ears.
Go ride in a MB GLE-350 on a concrete road. Believe your own ears.
BigNick
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I can't speak to the warranty language, but only to sound/noise levels.
I have a July 2015 build P85D, and my wife has a June 2014 build 2015 Chevy Impala (under 1/3 the price of the Tesla when new), and the Impala is consistently quieter inside than my Tesla. Except for 3.6 liters worth of V6 ICE noise, though the Impala's ICE is mostly quiet at cruise.
Both cars have dual-panel sunroofs. The Tesla is about 700 pounds heavier.
Nothing on the Tesla is "structural" noise - only things like seat/console rattles, wind noise and such.
One thing I noticed that at first seemed like a "Typical GM Cheap Move" is the innermost sides of the seat bottoms are fabric rather than leather - possibly to avoid squeaky rubs against the center console, possibly because "no one seems that side of the seat". The Tesla seats are all leather material (or Vegan leather on the newer ones).
Frameless windows (something I really like about the Tesla's design) could also be a contributor to noise levels.
I call this the "Lexus Effect", when I owned one the Lexus forum board was littered with posts just like this simply because Lexus builds such quiet and well-built cars, so obviously everyone expected nothing less than sheer silence which makes sense. people would literally bring their cars in for things that would require absolute silence to detect! What's alarming about your post is that it almost seems like Tesla has gone backwards somewhat in build quality, probably because most of their time and resources has been focused on the Model 3 deliveries, which must be very frustrating as an S owner!
This would be the rare exception, not the rule. Benz is well-known within the industry for having superior build quality.
The 3er on average has a sportier suspension, and the runflats are loud and unforgiving IMO.
It's funny, I've been holding out on buying a Tesla until they get a hold of the obvious issues currently plaguing them (customer service and build quality), and now that I've waited it would appear that at least with the S and X (their two "lux" offerings and first two models) they've basically treated them as afterthoughts or necessary evils to deal with as they grow.