Jaguar I-Pace

[mtndrew1]

God I remember this guy and all his insufferable ramblings about how GM was so far ahead and how Jaguar wouldn’t beta test on their customers and that established automakers have extreme processes in place to prevent defects. On and on and on ad nauseam.

Meanwhile his I-Pace has a failing battery pack and a seemingly endless string of software problems. That whole forum is a train wreck of software issues, vehicle defects, manufacturer buybacks, and whining about the recent $20,000 price cuts needed to move those turkeys off the lot.

I hope everyone there gets a satisfactory resolution to their defective cars but I can’t say I’m not enjoying McRat getting a nice slab of humble pie.

 

[alloverx]

Buying an earlier V1 is a dangerous game

 

[Skryll]

Buying an earlier V1 is a dangerous game

The funny thing is - we were willing to pay kickstarter prices for V1 teslas back when. But that time has passed. Now that there is a supercharging network and solid and more affordable cars, why experiment around with electrifyamerica and gen1 technology. Its not real trailblazing anymore.

 

[Cosmacelf]

The sad thing is that it isn’t only servicing EVs that is the problem. I recently had an Infiniti suv in the shop for warranty engine repairs. It broke down on the street a week after I got it back because they didn’t put the engine back together properly. And that’sa Japanese luxury brand. Dealers just kinda suck.

 

[Merrill]

I have owned 3 Jaguars starting from 1970 thru 2000 and they had the same issues as most car of those years but unfortunately they have always had the bad rap of poor reliability. I loved them and if it wasn’t for Tesla would still have them.

 

[jkoya]

And yeah, I've owned 3 Rx-7's, so I know about cars that break down.

I used to drive a Rx-2 rotary and everyday the car started was a miracle ! Local Jaguar dealer has the 2020 I-Paces discounted already .....

 

[Merrill]

They used to say Lucas electrics is the prince of darkness, as well as drive it for 1 hour and work on it for 2 hours!

 

[cab]

I still like this car (although I have never test-driven one!). You can definitely get some crazy deals on them and it would be a tough choice between the i-Pace and a loaded Model 3 Performance. Sadly, it might come down to what it often does...Supercharging (or the lack thereof).

I have to admit though...the Mach E appears to offer a lot of the benefit for even less.

 

[Curious George]

Yes, we had a RAV4 EV for a while (the so-called Baby Tesla since it was a joint venture), but Toyota sold it as a compliance car, and never gave it the range and features it should have had. If Toyota had just put into that RAV4 EV what it put into the Prius Prime, with some Tesla range, Toyota wouldn't be able to make RAV4 EVs fast enough.

You do know the fundamental differences they had, right? Here is a very old article.
Insight: Toyota-Tesla Partnership "Marred By Clashes Between Engineers"

The mindset is very different between the two companies. For those conflicts or otherwise, RaV4 EV also had lot of quality issues. I don't think Toyota wanted to damage its reputation on reliability. It is not so easy to work in a partnership with huge differences in approaches.
I guess, most automakers view it that way.

InsideEVs contributor Tony Williams offered a quote to Bloomberg on his 2012 Toyota RAV4 EV itself after having it in the shop for more than 30 days - "The RAV4 is a frickin’ nightmare"

RAV4 sales are doing great BTW. Last month, RAV4 sold 44k in USA, about 10k of those were hybrids. And soon comes the plug-in RAV4 with 39 miles of AER. These high sales are going on for a long time, not just one or to years then flop.

 

[nwdiver]

You do know the fundamental differences they had, right?

Yeah... Tesla wants to kill ICE ASAP. Toyota wants to keep ICE as long as possible.

 

[F_OPEC]

Agree this is primarily a GEN1 EV issue for Jaguar and NOT a general reliability issue with the JLR brand in general. I had a Jag back in 2001 for 2 yrs on lease - did not have a single issue over 2 yrs > the suspension and ride was BMW-esq - fantastic. And about 10 yrs ago they won various reliability and owner satisfaction awards in categories that in some yrs beat out Lexus and other top brands. Jaguars notoriously poor 80's reliability with electronics and control systems was entirely resolved once Ford owned them and fixed those areas (but sadly broke the brand/image/design in other ways) until finally TATA Motors acquired JLR and reversed course.

 

[RubberToe]

My Momma told me that I should have been a lawyer. And that was even before Jaguar started selling EVs. She was a smart gal...

Looks to be pretty contagious whatever is going around...

 

[alloverx]

Buying V1 of anything is risky, from Jag its double risky. Nice that the buybacks were smooth.

 

[mtndrew1]

Legacy automaker with thorough product testing, robust dealer network and luxury brand communications is handling McRat’s car well.

 

[lotusland]

I followed that forum for a while when deliveries started, as I was somewhat interested in the Jaguar offering. McRat and one other guy were such cheerleaders in the face of disaster that it made the forum unreadable. It didn't help that there only seemed to be 3-4 regular posters. I will say that watching him made me very careful not to be too pro-Tesla. Ignoring real problems and spinning tough issues only makes people more annoyed with the brand IMO.

 

[RubberToe]

Interesting article about how almost all (we know the exception) EV manufacturers are having serious quality and sales issues. I haven't heard before reading this that I-Pace regenerative braking issues were causing crashes...

Almost Every EV Manufacturer Is Having Huge Problems Except One | MotorBiscuit

 

[Merrill]

This is sad to hear, would like BEV’s to do well I hope they are able to correct these issues.

 

[Cosmacelf]

Seems the Jaguar braking fix was a software patch that, get this, required owners to lug their cars into dealers for a fix.

A lot of people were wondering how Tesla could afford to give their cars free connectivity. A year’s worth of connectivity to enable a single critical over the air software patch would probably cover the cost of a manual recall.

 

[EVMeister]

Seems the Jaguar braking fix was a software patch that, get this, required owners to lug their cars into dealers for a fix.

Yup. Several hours of my life I'll never get back. The update itself took a few hours and there was something else they had to attend to. Yeah, they needed to replace the sticker on the charge flap due to some incorrect information. Not that I ever looked at said information in my life. At least they had nice biscuits at the dealership!

 

[Cosmacelf]

So it's been seven years since Tesla came out with these listed innovations. I find it interesting that NO existing car manufacturer has decided to copy ANY of these innovations. I mean, really?

- over the air software updates to fix problems
- over the air enhancements to the car
- high amperage Mobile Connector with multiple plug options
- supercharger network