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I certainly hope so! If we still don't get pricing and range on Thursday then my hunch is there will be a riot!
That's true, especially among those that have physical challenges or are overweight, as it's easier to get in & out. However those people typically get an SUV, think a Chevy Blazer or similar. They get a higher vehicle, but it doesn't have the disadvantages of a longer one.
zoomer0056
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I don't think so. I think they are only going to announce one range something like the mid-range at the initial unveiling. Hopefully in time they will expand the options.
cdub
OG 2011 Leaf / 2023 Model Y LR
I don't know. Everyone I talk to outside of the Tesla bubble seems to be making fun of it. We'll see if it takes off.
Not until you pointed it out. Thought comment was about inside rear view mirror.
It's a bigger version of seal visible in existing frameless doors, but I wonder if the supplier can black out that corner...
Edit: nevermind, that would look bad when window is partly rolled down
The unit I saw at Montgomery Mall had a rearview mirror - however from talking with the guy who drove it to the mall from the Owings Mills, MD delivery center, it's a digital camera based rearview mirror only - as it cannot be a normal dimmable mirror since there's literally nothing to see out of the rear midgate window when the bed cover is up.
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This is not accurate - the CT has a rearview camera based mirror - here's a pic from the Montgomery Mall CT that I took on Black Friday - you can clearly see the rearview mirror. I spoke to the guy that drove the CT from the delivery center to the mall location - it's a digital rearview mirror only - given when the tonneau cover is up - there's literally nothing to see behind the midgate rear window.
It will really depend on how sophisticated the drivetrain is in the CT. If Tesla uses the same motors from the Semi - and uses the same tech from the Semi that allows two out of the three motors to disengage and only run one motor once up to speed - then we may see better towing capability than many suspect. Granted, the long haul Semi uses three 300kwh battery packs in comparison, whereas the CT is rumored to only be using a 122kwh pack for both the dual and trimotor variants, but if Tesla uses this type of tech in the CT - we could see better towing performance when compared to other brands already on the market. Either way, we'll soon know!
It sounds like the guy lied to you. There are multiple pictures, including Elon at the racetrack that show when the tonneau is down, the screen shows the rear camera. It's not displayed in the rearview mirror.
None of the rear-view cameras in RC units nor showrooms have been digital.
Edit: I never said they didn't have rearview mirrors, just that they aren't digital.
For those that care
Rear view mirrors for non-passenger vehicles (like trucks) can meet FMVSS 111 to two ways:
1. Using only flat side mirrors and no internal mirror
2. Using the passenger car requirements
Passenger car requires internal mirror along with second external mirror (flat or convex) if the internal mirror field of view is lacking.
So, to use a typical "objects in mirror may be closer than they appear" passenger side mirror, Tesla needs to include an internal rear view mirror, even though it is mostly useless for its normal purpose.
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Rear view mirrors for non-passenger vehicles (like trucks) can meet FMVSS 111 to two ways:
1. Using only flat side mirrors and no internal mirror
2. Using the passenger car requirements
Passenger car requires internal mirror along with second external mirror (flat or convex) if the internal mirror field of view is lacking.
So, to use a typical "objects in mirror may be closer than they appear" passenger side mirror, Tesla needs to include an internal rear view mirror, even though it is mostly useless for its normal purpose.
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I think you're referring to this study from 2021:
What most people don't realize is that this study only polled F150 owners (i.e. not F250 or above owners). A deeper dive into this study also found that the majority of F150 owners polled owned the short bed F150 version. I cannot for the life of me find the link, but there was deeper dive done that provided a breakdown of the models within the F150 within the study results and it showed very different percentages when the cab size and bed sizes were broken out. I recall that when the bed size increased to 6.5-8 foot - the numbers for personal hauling and towing went way up - even in the F150 class. Most pickup owners that tow on a regular basis move up to the F250+ series and into a diesel engine setup - which is much more capable and efficient for towing especially. It's obvious that the CT isn't designed to appeal to owners who tow/haul on a regular basis - especially if there's not going to be a large battery pack option that offers up 500 miles of range unloaded.
What more evidence do you need that this is a work truck?Delivery Event while everyone is working?
navguy12
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People still work? I thought everyone was just sitting around commenting on various online threads.Delivery Event while everyone is working?
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
I don't think I am?
The numbers I cite are from a 2019 story here:
You Don't Need A Full-Size Pickup Truck, You Need a Cowboy Costume
The full-size pickup truck has become America's best-selling vehicle by a country mile. But most Silverado, Ram, and F-Series buyers would be better served with a cheaper means of role-playing.
www.thedrive.com
The data comes from the president of an auto consulting firm which conducts an in-depth 250,000 person new vehicle owner survey.
So vastly larger data set than the one you cite, and covering all brands and models and trims not just F-150.
Interestingly your own numbers are not TOO different anyway-(32% yours vs 35% mine for "essentially never uses the bed" if we read hauling as bed use in your data.... and 63% vs 75% for essentially never tows.... lending further support to the idea the vast majority of truck owners tow roughly never. (Your data doesn't cover off road specifically- the data from my thing says 70% of owners do that 1 or 0 times a year though)
All that said I agree I'd expect the towing number at least to be higher in F-250 owners vs F-150, but not entirely sure why that'd matter here since as you note this is hardly intended to compete with those anyway.
Tesla on X says 2:00 PM CT:Delivery Event while everyone is working?
That's cool - I cannot seem to find the actual findings from the underlying study itself from your link - seems like I'd have to be a subscriber to see the raw data unfortunately. I'd be curious out of the 250k persons for the new vehicle survey - how the actual vehicle types break down by models and number of people responding. I use my current RAM 1500 with a standard bed for a fair amount of hauling/bed use - but I own a 3/4 acre lot with 17 trees on it and I'm responsible for all leaf removal so I do a lot of landscaping work with my truck. I also tow boats to local boat ramps during the summer months, and the occasional u-Haul rental trailer helping folks move and such. I'd say I use my bed for "hauling" about 10-20 times per year on average, and for towing about 5-10 times per year. I don't have a camper or anything major when it comes to towing where I would tow over longer distances. I'm more of a glamping type really.I don't think I am?
The numbers I cite are from a 2019 story here:
You Don't Need A Full-Size Pickup Truck, You Need a Cowboy Costume
The full-size pickup truck has become America's best-selling vehicle by a country mile. But most Silverado, Ram, and F-Series buyers would be better served with a cheaper means of role-playing.
The data comes from the president of an auto consulting firm which conducts an in-depth 250,000 person new vehicle owner survey.
So vastly larger data set than the one you cite, and covering all brands and models and trims not just F-150.
Interestingly your own numbers are not TOO different anyway-(32% yours vs 35% mine for "essentially never uses the bed" if we read hauling as bed use in your data.... and 63% vs 75% for essentially never tows.... lending further support to the idea the vast majority of truck owners tow roughly never. (Your data doesn't cover off road specifically- the data from my thing says 70% of owners do that 1 or 0 times a year though)
All that said I agree I'd expect the towing number at least to be higher in F-250 owners vs F-150, but not entirely sure why that'd matter here since as you note this is hardly intended to compete with those anyway.
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