Wiki MASTER THREAD: Actual FSD Beta downloads and experiences

[impastu]

I created a few signs last night and chose this one as the best of the 3 for my 3.

It uses magnets to stick to the trunk, and I put a layer of PPF down under the placard before I applied it.

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[wtwieder]

You're missing the big picture. First, there is an incredible amount to "show for it." What Beta can do right now was science fiction just a couple of years ago. Second, each small improvement is additive. My car can already navigate situations successfully that it couldn't with 10.2. Small improvements to be sure, but they add up over time. Third, you're forgetting Dojo. I'm sure right now Tesla is gathering more data from Beta testers than they can actually use. But what happens when the world's most powerful AI training computer--also literally the world's most powerful super computer-- is online and analyzing all of the data we're collecting now? Try not to be "immediate gratification" dependent. As a society we've gone down that path and very little good has ever come from it.

It's just amazing to me that people can be so "meh" about a system that can occasionally drive across town all by itself with no interventions. Consistently? No. But the fact that it can do it at all should blow your mind. It's like the moon landings. After the third one, people stopped even watching. So many people--that didn't know any better--thought it had become "easy." This is like that, even more so. It's mind boggling to watch. If you're not impressed with the progress, you don't understand the magnitude of the achievement. You're part of something that will change the world forever, even if it is a small part.

The big picture is that FSD should do what it needs to do without trying to kill us. Every time I use it, it tries to do that.
I am not concerned by jerky steering or acceleration that is too fast or too slow, or poor routing. These are relatively little things. But suddenly turning while there is no room for oncoming traffic or braking suddenly for no apparent reason in the middle of a turn is intolerable, especially when these fatal errors are nothing new, going back to version 8.0.
What's mind boggling to watch is how close we are to being killed every time we engage FSD. Sure, we agreed to be test pilots, and that's a risk we agreed to take. However, it's hard to keep flying the same plane over and over again. Furthermore. I believe a lot of the little improvements, we think we see other than graphics, are like placebos that can't be reproduced repeatedly in any consistent way.

 

[Wvapoker]

Car still struggles with the first 4 turns it makes every day when I leave my neighborhood. No traffic and it still can’t do the turns without my intervening by pushing the accelerator. Also cross over the middle of the road way too much, and even stops at the two stop signs partially in the incoming lane.

Exactly what he said.

 

[Wnuk]

The big picture is that FSD should do what it needs to do without trying to kill us. Every time I use it, it tries to do that.
I am not concerned by jerky steering or acceleration that is too fast or too slow, or poor routing. These are relatively little things. But suddenly turning while there is no room for oncoming traffic or braking suddenly for no apparent reason in the middle of a turn is intolerable, especially when these fatal errors are nothing new, going back to version 8.0.
What's mind boggling to watch is how close we are to being killed every time we engage FSD. Sure, we agreed to be test pilots, and that's a risk we agreed to take. However, it's hard to keep flying the same plane over and over again. Furthermore. I believe a lot of the little improvements, we think we see other than graphics, are like placebos that can't be reproduced repeatedly in any consistent way.

If you truly believe it is trying to “kill you” and it performs “fatal errors” then beta is not for you. Opt out and have peace of mind.

I hope you are using those phrases to try and emphasize your point, but they serve no purpose. As the driver in control, you decide what is safe and what isn’t and take immediate control if you feel uncomfortable then report the area to the beta team as an issue.

Tesla is pretty advanced with their software though it doesn’t appear that your car intentionally dislikes you and can therefore reason it is going to kill you.

 

[aronth5]

I don't think many folks have had a chance to run the recent beta's in the snow. I'm sad to report that even a skiff of snow covering the lines makes it go kinda bonkers. I'm hoping that as more training data comes in through this winter, it gets better.

When it comes to a snow/ice storm when the roads are covered I expect FSD will likely need to be disabled. Driving when it snows is so different then typical driving I think it will take FSD a long time to handle it safely. I can think of dozens of situations where the normal rules of the road don't apply. And not just how to drive but routing changes (i.e. steep hills). The challenge will be when to use FSD during snow storms so Tesla gets data to improve FSD without compromising safety or getting stuck.

 

[Nakk]

The big picture is that FSD should do what it needs to do without trying to kill us. Every time I use it, it tries to do that.
I am not concerned by jerky steering or acceleration that is too fast or too slow, or poor routing. These are relatively little things. But suddenly turning while there is no room for oncoming traffic or braking suddenly for no apparent reason in the middle of a turn is intolerable, especially when these fatal errors are nothing new, going back to version 8.0.
What's mind boggling to watch is how close we are to being killed every time we engage FSD. Sure, we agreed to be test pilots, and that's a risk we agreed to take. However, it's hard to keep flying the same plane over and over again. Furthermore. I believe a lot of the little improvements, we think we see other than graphics, are like placebos that can't be reproduced repeatedly in any consistent way.

Opt out then. Do it right now. You clearly aren't enjoying this or cut out for this. Opt out. Your experience is far, far, far worse then mine. Why are you even posting? Just opt out and be done with it.

 

[Oil Freedom]

I was in a shopping center parking lot the other night and turned on FSD Beta as I was leaving. It made a turn within the large parking lot and immediately gave it lots of power mid-turn. It then promptly rolled over a speed bump at speed. Right after that, it seemed to realize there was a speed bump there -- somewhere -- and slammed on the brakes. The really erratic driving and tire squeaking from beginning to end was a comedic and drunken display for the pedestrians in the area. I was laughing out loud at how ridiculous it must've looked.

So as FSD Beta improves, and not as quickly as some would like or expect, I would like to offer this thought: Tesla is building a generalist solution intended to eventually work in all scenarios. It's not building a specialist solution that only works really well in our particular driving scenarios and the roads we frequent. As it improves, it's improving incrementally for general use. So while from one release to the next, I may or may not see it improve much for my particular driving scenarios, performance is improving overall and trending in the right direction.

 

[Vines]

Share template please!

I am happy to share, this file was created in .RLD format, which is used by my laser cutting/engraving machine.

Feel free to PM me if you'd like, I was considering making a few of them as a fun project. I'd be open to making a few with other language or colors as well. I also made a White one with Blue lettering to sort of match the License plate.

 

[wtwieder]

Opt out then. Do it right now. You clearly aren't enjoying this or cut out for this. Opt out. Your experience is far, far, far worse then mine. Why are you even posting? Just opt out and be done with it.

My experiences are my experiences. I didn't ask for your opinion telling me what to do. Why are YOU posting if you can't be objective and can't accept anyone's experience that doesn't agrees with yours?

BTW, there are others here who have shared that they aren't seeing any definite improvements, either. I am not alone. If we are here to report only how wonderful FSD is, it's unlikely we will ever see it ever getting better. When or if I opt out will be my decision, not yours.

 

[EVNow]

My experiences are my experiences. I didn't ask for your opinion telling me what to do. Why are YOU posting if you can't be objective and can't accept anyone's experience that doesn't agrees with yours?

Well, he is sharing his opinion of what he thinks you should do. You can take it or ignore it.

In an open forum like this - when you share your experience - people are going to respond and share their opinion, even if you specifically didn't ask.

In anycase, if you think FSD presents unacceptable risk - thats exactly what you seem to be implying - the logical conclusion is not to use FSD Beta.

 

[JulienW]

Another mini [rant]. One of the things I loved most about AP was when in a long line at a red-light, especially one that will take multi-cycles you could just put on AP and forget as you inched your way up.

Well this is 100% dead with FSD Beta. The car is HELL bent and determined not to wait and turn into the oncoming traffic lane, even if cars are coming and WTH I don't know. Today I watched the UI and it would be path straight and then a millisecond of path around with a quick jerk of the wheel and back to path straight. After 3 to 5 times of this it decides to make the idiot move. And it will do this over and over and over at the same light.

 

[dlfjed]

When it comes to a snow/ice storm when the roads are covered I expect FSD will likely need to be disabled. Driving when it snows is so different then typical driving I think it will take FSD a long time to handle it safely. I can think of dozens of situations where the normal rules of the road don't apply. And not just how to drive but routing changes (i.e. steep hills). The challenge will be when to use FSD during snow storms so Tesla gets data to improve FSD without compromising safety or getting stuck.

I agree. This also wouldn’t be a fault necessarily. Since the days of printed car manuals the cruise control always said do not use in snow or other dangerous conditions. Beta

 

[wtwieder]

Well, he is sharing his opinion of what he thinks you should do. You can take it or ignore it.

In an open forum like this - when you share your experience - people are going to respond and share their opinion, even if you specifically didn't ask.

In anycase, if you think FSD presents unacceptable risk - thats exactly what you seem to be implying - the logical conclusion is not to use FSD Beta.

Consider your opinion ignored. I never asked you or anyone else what I should do. That was never a question.

 

[impastu]

Consider your opinion ignored. I never asked you or anyone else what I should do. That was never a question.

You’re asking for this to happen.

 

[EVNow]

Consider your opinion ignored. I never asked you or anyone else what I should do. That was never a question.

Ok whatever - if all you wanted was for others to listen to you but not the other way round.

 

[EVNow]

After 3 to 5 times of this it decides to make the idiot move. And it will do this over and over and over at the same light.

<speculation>
Waymo is known for being too "timid" - at least it was. So, Elon tells his team - lets be aggressive about overtaking stopped cars and such.

Above is the result of that.
</speculation>

 

[CharleyBC]

Just back from a quick run to the library, and I let Wattney drive. We had an interesting moment. Here's the relevant bit of our route:

The plan was to turn left from Talent Ave onto Lapree Dr. FSD turned on the left turn indicator before we got to the stop sign at the corner of Talent and Main. It was probably following a standard rule for turning on the signal X meters before the turn. But in this case the distance between Main and Lapree is significantly less than X. The result was we came to a stop at the corner of Main St with the left indicator blinking away. This was obviously confusing to other drivers, and could have led to a dangerous situation if another driver made a decision based on assuming we were turning left.

Of course, I cancelled the turn indicator. After crossing Main, I turned the left turn indicator back on to correctly show my intent to turn onto Lapree. The car responded by telling me auto lane change was unavailable. But it did make the left turn as planned.

I think I'll send this one to the beta email, hoping someone reads it.

 

[Oil Freedom]

The car is HELL bent and determined not to wait and turn into the oncoming traffic lane, even if cars are coming and WTH I don't know. Today I watched the UI and it would be path straight and then a millisecond of path around with a quick jerk of the wheel and back to path straight. After 3 to 5 times of this it decides to make the idiot move. And it will do this over and over and over at the same light.

Yeah, I've experienced this as well. It's happened to me a couple of times at the same large intersection while waiting to turn left. There are two left turn lanes, and it seems to want to switch lanes to go around the vehicle ahead of me that's also waiting for the light. FSD Beta doesn't seem to understand the situation and treats the lead car as parked/broken down instead of being in a line of cars all waiting for the light. If it sees a space in the neighboring turn lane, it goes for it -- repeatedly!

 

[CharleyBC]

What experience have folks had with FSD and non-human animals?

I was just on a drive and came to a stop on the leg of a T intersection. There was a dog in the middle of the intersection very slowly taking its time catching up to its owner on a nearby sidewalk. FSD visualized the human, but not the dog. I was concerned about the car hitting the dog, but it trotted away just as the car started to go, so I didn't have to intervene. I'm unsure what would have happened if the dog stayed where it was, but I wasn't going to put its life at risk to find out.

Curiously, closer to home on a straight road, I passed another dog walker on the parallel sidewalk. I'm not sure since I didn't glance at the visualization until the last second, but there may have been a little blob beside the visualized human. Was that the dog? If so, why didn't the previous dog show up?

I've also wondered about this out in the country more (which in our little city means only a mile or two) where we might encounter people on horseback. Further out one might even encounter cattle on the road. How will FSD handle these creatures? Does anyone have any experience with this?

 

[dewmike]

What experience have folks had with FSD and non-human animals?

I was just on a drive and came to a stop on the leg of a T intersection. There was a dog in the middle of the intersection very slowly taking its time catching up to its owner on a nearby sidewalk. FSD visualized the human, but not the dog. I was concerned about the car hitting the dog, but it trotted away just as the car started to go, so I didn't have to intervene. I'm unsure what would have happened if the dog stayed where it was, but I wasn't going to put its life at risk to find out.

Curiously, closer to home on a straight road, I passed another dog walker on the parallel sidewalk. I'm not sure since I didn't glance at the visualization until the last second, but there may have been a little blob beside the visualized human. Was that the dog? If so, why didn't the previous dog show up?

I got my first dog animation today on the way back from a hike with my dog. It was super quick but I saw it.