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I’m in a 2020 Model S LR+ so I have not gotten 10.8 nor V11Did you check to be sure it wasn't changed in the v11 update. I always go through and check my settings on a new update and v11 is a biggie.
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I’m in a 2020 Model S LR+ so I have not gotten 10.8 nor V11Did you check to be sure it wasn't changed in the v11 update. I always go through and check my settings on a new update and v11 is a biggie.
Did the lanes change recently? The image you show has a straight arrow and a straight+right arrow for the two westbound 14th lanes crossing Peachtree whereas this November 2021 Street View seems to show two straight arrows?turns the left signal on and start changing lanes in the middle of the intersection
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The levels are definitely all about ownership of the DDT aka liability. If there were no levels, 100% of this tech would be considered just advanced driver assist requiring constant supervision until one day that final incremental improvement creates fully autonomous vehicles. When that could happen is anyone's guess, but I think full autonomy in the US is many years away and full autonomy around the globe is probably much further. And I think Tesla, or at least Elon, is still way too optimistic about when it'll happen.The engineering reality doesn’t match with the levels. Levels have become obsolete.
All the ADAS systems from lowly lane departure warning in our Toyota van to Tesla FSD beta are all L2 ? But the keep lane TACC of MB below 37 mph in 60 mph roads in L3 !!
Just completed my first 10.8 drive. Overall very solid - but I was focused on one specific area that is unfortunately not improved in 10.8.
I'm curious for other people's experience with this. There are two three way intersections in my neighborhood (each with only a single stop sign). When my car approaches these stop signs to make an unprotected left turn, the behavior is pretty awful:
This behavior is not consistent for all intersections. I've had better luck at other similar intersections, although it is still much more hesitant than a human driver.
- The car stops waaaay before the intersection. I understand this is because there is no line at the intersection, so it has to guess where to stop. But it's not even close.
- It then begins a very slow creep towards the intersection. Meanwhile, I can clearly see that there is no cross traffic approaching, and the car's b pillar cams have an unobstructed view.
- More hesitation, more steering wheel jiggle, more creeping, often into the intersection. Plenty of visibility, and clear to me that no cross traffic is approaching.
- Finally when it's completely in the middle of the intersection, it makes up its mind and turns left.
Anyone else have a similar experience? It's actually one of the major remaining issues that makes FSD Beta unusable for my commute/drive.
EDIT - here's one of the intersections. Sorry for the terrible scribbling - the intersection is circled, and the arrow shows the direction I'm approaching to the stop sign.
I think one contributing factor is that the cross street bends out of view, so I suppose it's possible a car could unexpectedly come through at an extremely high rate of speed. As you can see that cross street in a cul-de-sac and there is hardly any traffic, so I just know that I'm not going to see 50 mph cross traffic. But I suppose FSD doesn't take this into consideration?
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The behavior you're referring to certainly isn't my experience. More than once I've had to disengage with a hard brake because FSD is making a quick decision with a car a second or two away. In my circumstance it's an unprotected left at T-intersections without a light or Stop sign. A light or Stop sign exhibits the behavior your're talking about. My area is full of these type of intersections.I've been thinking more about this behavior. Specifically - it seems that FSD will hesitate for a minimum of 5-10 seconds before making an unprotected turn, no matter how good the visibility is or the complete absence of any cross traffic.
The behavior you're referring to certainly isn't my experience. More than once I've had to disengage with a hard brake because FSD is making a quick decision with a car a second or two away. In my circumstance it's an unprotected left at T-intersections without a light or Stop sign. A light or Stop sign exhibits the behavior your're talking about. My area is full of these type of intersections.
I had that issue this morning too. FSD arrived at a stop sign with no other cars on the road and it just waited and waited, then just as another car approached the junction FSD decided to go for it - except it wasn't a 4way stop. My hard braking intervention prevented FSD from getting us t-boned.The behavior you're referring to certainly isn't my experience. More than once I've had to disengage with a hard brake because FSD is making a quick decision with a car a second or two away. In my circumstance it's an unprotected left at T-intersections without a light or Stop sign. A light or Stop sign exhibits the behavior your're talking about. My area is full of these type of intersections.
I disagree that it's not 10.8 related. I know it's not single stack, but I have zero doubt that the freeway AP software is different with Beta than it is with non-beta Teslas. We have a non-beta 3 and a beta Y, and I've been able to compare the two. Absolutely the freeway AP is different with beta. Our 3 AP is pretty much unchanged over the last four months. Our Y used to be much better than the 3 on the freeway, with the improvement coinciding with the upgrade to beta. The two APs are very different since beta, whereas they were identical before.What happened - phantom braking ?
BTW, that is not really 10.8 related.
Is your 3 with Radar ? If so, they will be different.I disagree that it's not 10.8 related. I know it's not single stack, but I have zero doubt that the freeway AP software is different with Beta than it is with non-beta Teslas. We have a non-beta 3 and a beta Y, and I've been able to compare the two. Absolutely the freeway AP is different with beta.
Yes, and that is one difference and probably why the even the TACC on the Y is now useless in the rain. But there is more than that. Immediately upon getting beta, I noticed that AP on the freeway did a much better job not swinging right into expanded right lanes from on ramps. The Y AP also does a much, much better job when several lanes merge into one. There is one freeway interchange here that the Y could never take before, and the 3 still can't. Once the Y got beta it could then successfully navigate the interchange. Prior to 10.8, The Y's NAO on the freeway was much better in many places than the 3. BTW, the 3 does not have the AP problems in the rain as far as lane keeping that the Y has now. That's not radar. Beta is not single stack, but beta equipped cars are definitely using different software on the freeway compared to non-beta cars. The difference is just too noticeable and consistent to be random.Is your 3 with Radar ? If so, they will be different.
No, the lane assignments did not change and have been Left lane straight only (no left turn allowed) and Right lane straight AND right turn. Here is Apple Maps showing a car turning right and the next pic shows about the point when it turns on the left signal and stats moving over and then heads towards the island. Even if the Arrow was panted with a right tun added to the straight arrow this should not confuse Beta into thinking it is in the wrong lane.Did the lanes change recently? The image you show has a straight arrow and a straight+right arrow for the two westbound 14th lanes crossing Peachtree whereas this November 2021 Street View seems to show two straight arrows?....
You are still all the time comparing vision and radar AP. You need to compare VO AP of FSD beta and non-beta cars.Yes, and that is one difference and probably why the even the TACC on the Y is now useless in the rain. But there is more than that. Immediately upon getting beta, I noticed that AP on the freeway did a much better job not swinging right into expanded right lanes from on ramps. The Y AP also does a much, much better job when several lanes merge into one. There is one freeway interchange here that the Y could never take before, and the 3 still can't. Once the Y got beta it could then successfully navigate the interchange. Prior to 10.8, The Y's NAO on the freeway was much better in many places than the 3. BTW, the 3 does not have the AP problems in the rain as far as lane keeping that the Y has now. That's not radar. Beta is not single stack, but beta equipped cars are definitely using different software on the freeway compared to non-beta cars. The difference is just too noticeable and consistent to be random.
You can swipe the map on and off. I actually really like the effect of the full screen FSD.But what happens to the map; especially if you are navigating to a destination and want to see traffic, directions list/turn-by-turn, etc.?
I see what you're saying and you could be entirely correct; I have no way to test that. I can say with some certainty that you are correct in that VO AP is changing with every new beta release and is different than my radar equipped 3. When I first got beta, the change to AP was a very noticeable and appreciated improvement. VO AP and TACC with Beta 10.8 on the other hand is a huge downgrade in the rain, to the point that I don't feel it's safe to have on at all in the rain.You are still all the time comparing vision and radar AP. You need to compare VO AP of FSD beta and non-beta cars.
It’s quite likely VO AP is changing with every release. It’s probably changing for both FSD and non-FSD cars.
Have you tried opting out and getting back in ?I was hoping the FSD strike I got on 10.5 would have been reset with 10.8. Still sitting at 1 of 3, so I'm not toooo concerned. But it would be nice for old strikes to fall off at some point.
Has anyone experienced a resetting of the “Autopilot disables”? I too thought the new software would reset it, but don’t recall where I read that.I was hoping the FSD strike I got on 10.5 would have been reset with 10.8. Still sitting at 1 of 3, so I'm not toooo concerned. But it would be nice for old strikes to fall off at some point.