Tiger
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I tried to google what are the powe characteristics of either Plaid front or 3/Y performance rear and I could not find, but kw/hp range seemed quite close (might stem from inverter tuning).
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Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]
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I tried to google what are the powe characteristics of either Plaid front or 3/Y performance rear and I could not find, but kw/hp range seemed quite close (might stem from inverter tuning).
Gauss Guzzler
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My understanding is that the Plaid uses the same "motor" in all three positions, not just the stator and inverter, but the rotor as well. If that's not the case then you're certainly correct that a fundamentally different rotor would constitute a fundamentally different motor.
stopcrazypp
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Look at the Munro video, the rotor is carbon sleeved. The Model 3/Y's is not, so it literally can't be the same.
The front motor is also carbon sleeved from the other Inside EVs link, so the front motor is not the same as the Model 3/Y either. Rather it says it's the Raven motor. Tesla uses the same inverter for commonality, but changes the other parts as fit.
Gauss Guzzler
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I was responding to @gearchruncher's statement that "The front motor in the Plaid is not the same as the rear motors... it's basically a Model 3 Rear motor." Neither of us intended so suggest it was *exactly* a Model 3 motor. My point was only that the front motor *is* the same as the rear motors.
The Raven uses a stock Model 3 rear motor mated to a FWD transmission. Plaid modifies the Raven front drive unit to include a carbon rotor - the same carbon rotor as the rears, the same Model 3 derivative, the same everywhere - as far as I can tell from various teardowns like Munro and Ingineerix.
The Raven uses a stock Model 3 rear motor mated to a FWD transmission. Plaid modifies the Raven front drive unit to include a carbon rotor - the same carbon rotor as the rears, the same Model 3 derivative, the same everywhere - as far as I can tell from various teardowns like Munro and Ingineerix.
GreenHokie
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Yep, I’m with ya. A good sign that Tesla has made some slight changes to the front and rear bumper for the upcoming Performance/Plaid Model 3 trim. Can’t wait to see the actual result (especially the final performance numbers) in the upcoming months….
Damn. Been debating trading my RS3 for Model S but this has me thinking.Yep, I’m with ya. A good sign that Tesla has made some slight changes to the front and rear bumper for the upcoming Performance/Plaid Model 3 trim. Can’t wait to see the actual result (especially the final performance numbers) in the upcoming months….
GreenHokie
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If you are referring to the standard Model S long range, then I think it’s a no brainer to wait/see what the new Model 3 Performance/Plaid will offer in terms of performance/looks. I think in many ways, the refresh Model 3 will be a better/nicer vehicle than the current Model S.
I think on the performance side it's very likely. On the build quality and suspension side, I'm less bullish since the M3P will still be based on the econobox Model 3. But yes, I would be bummed if I made the trade now only to find out that Tesla has in fact created a new "M3 Killer" so I may just wait it out.
GreenHokie
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Makes sense. But, based on the early reviews, it sounds like Tesla has made some moderate improvements to build quality/materials and suspension on the base Model 3 Highland… which will hopefully translate to an overall more comfortable/quiet ride on both the long range and Performance/Plaid trim.
No such thing as a BMW M3 “killer”. The upcoming Model 3 Performance/Plaid will simply be another option, since the market is more than large enough for both vehicles to thrive. Besides, there will always be a large group of buyers who will prefer/buy a BMW M3 over a Tesla Model 3 regardless of the performance gap…
Looks like Motor Trend and Car had a chance to review Highland....
Conspicuously absent is any mention of Performance changes, or any timeline for a Performance model.
Conspicuously absent is any mention of Performance changes, or any timeline for a Performance model.
I'll be the first to admit that this seems good for the performance car. If it was just the same higher powered rear motor and some brakes like it is today, they would be releasing it at the same time as it's the highest profit version. It does appear logical that the drivetrain will be different.
I don't know if the Model S quality is any better (if not worse). I think i find more complaints on the S forums than even the newer 3s. Maybe a crap shoot no matter what
By quality I don't necessarily mean issues but rather quieter, better suspension and better materials on the interior. It's not a tin can.I don't know if the Model S quality is any better (if not worse). I think i find more complaints on the S forums than even the newer 3s. Maybe a crap shoot no matter what
I have seen a realtime 447 KW(607 HP) reading through CANBUS.
Note: this is not a “Max discharge value”. This was a realtime reading while doing a 1/4 mile run.
462 KW is the maximum “Max Discharge” value I have seen.
I hope Tesla puts more effort into maximizing steering feel and dialing in traction control/torque vectoring that relay a sense of control and excitement to the driver. Raw numbers are important but Tesla's weak point is always in 'driver involvement' ie, feeling too much like a video game. I may be wishing for too much here, but who knows.
Just a touch of Porsche/BMW/Mazda DNA would be welcome in a Tesla.
Just a touch of Porsche/BMW/Mazda DNA would be welcome in a Tesla.
Go faster stripes and it’s now called the Model 3 Performance Turbo. Both those changes should add at least 150hp and could be why they are covering it up.Yep, I’m with ya. A good sign that Tesla has made some slight changes to the front and rear bumper for the upcoming Performance/Plaid Model 3 trim. Can’t wait to see the actual result (especially the final performance numbers) in the upcoming months….
Tiger
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Tiger
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pdx_m3s
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Model 3 Plaid is in the works...
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