Man if this car had a hatch like the i4 it would be such a great car.
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Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]
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Theoretically a 920 HP Model 3 Plaid would get into the 9.1s. However, the Model 3 battery couldn’t do that kind of power and it definitely couldn’t sustain that much power for long periods of time.
0-60 mph is limited by traction. However, it isn’t just the tires that determine traction. Suspension, weight distribution, and power delivery are all key to putting down max force at the contact patch.
It just wouldn’t make any sense to change the Model 3 enough to accommodate 920+ HP. It would require so many significant design changes that it wouldn’t be worth it.
The Model 3 was designed as a mass produced family hauler that is extremely efficient. It is quick almost as a byproduct of the capabilities of an EV.
The average person can't tell a LR from a Plaid at all, or even a 2016 Model S 60 from a Plaid. It's weird to me that it's unacceptable if a quick Model 3 doesn't look "special" but seeing a Model S is like seeing a Porsche.
Maybe it's just that where I live there are 3 Model S's in about 30 homes, and zero Porsches (much less actually hypercar fast Porsches).
I can't imagine if you put a picture of a 4 door model Model S, a GT3 RS, and a Ferrari FF90 up in front of people with zero knowledge the S was fastest that they woud pick the S as the fastest car, so I fail to see what details about the S makes it fit this mold while the Model 3 doesn't. Their design language is so similar that some people can't even tell them apart at a distance.
One of these things is not like the other:
So, you don’t think the Model 3 being 16% LIGHTER than the Model S plaid, wouldn’t allow for a similar at least 16% reduction in required HP (and that’s probably not the metric to truly drive all of 0-60 time and also not simply linear) in order to get to quite similar 0-60 speeds?
n2mb_racing
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That's why we need the Roadster. Just drop the plaid power train in it and ship it!
I used motormatchup to calculate the power and times. I was able to use motormatchup to predict every single time I have done after each modification. It is the most accurate predictor I have found.
Everyone who has tried to make a Plaid quicker by making it significantly lighter has struggled with traction. In most cases they got slower first until they tackled the traction issue. I think the Model 3 would be even more difficult for traction if you were trying to run low 9s.
Most people are over hyping this car.
It will have the same old performance battery
Will make slightly more power and might not fall off as much at speed
It will not have a carbon wrapped plaid motor. Instead it will have the same hairpin one in the model y performance.
You will get nicer seats and a stick on spoiler.
The body in white will be identical
It will have the same old performance battery
Will make slightly more power and might not fall off as much at speed
It will not have a carbon wrapped plaid motor. Instead it will have the same hairpin one in the model y performance.
You will get nicer seats and a stick on spoiler.
The body in white will be identical
By the time you add a higher discharge battery, larger brakes, axles, hubs & bearings, power wires, cooling, wider tires plus the 3rd motor it wouldn't be much lighter.
Jeremy3292
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It’s already been confirmed in European reg docs there is a completely new motor coming…
Call me weird, but I like having a car that DOESN'T look faster/sportier/meaner. I like surprising people: way more fun. Think '66 Dodge Coronet or '67 Cougar XR7
Sorry, but as @gearchruncher pointed out, they are NOT the same thing. The S Plaid looks like and is a four-door sedan. Heck, even the Panamera doesn't "look like a Porsche" (IMO of course, though I know others share the same thought).
The main reason you think "faster/sportier/meaner" when you see a Plaid S is that you KNOW what it can do. Sure, it has some sexier features to it's visual appeal, but it is not what one thinks of when they think of a sexy car.
(And lest anyone think I am bashing the S, I am most certainly not!)
Per usual you completely took my post out of context. My post was referring to a hypothetical nonexistent m3p that had a trimotor setup that was faster than a model s. And yes, if Tesla builds that car I would PERSONALLY find it unacceptable to look like the picture above (and so would Elon). Since that car isn’t being built there’s really no reason to argue about what it should look like in the Land of Oz. As far as your pictures, I happen to think the Model S is one of if not the most attractive car on the road. So yes, I think it looks appropriately fast and mean. Your reference to the “average” person is another attempt to move the goalposts. None of us here are “average” car buyers so feel free to take your arguments over to the Chevy Bolt forums.
Completely new from what? It's going to be the new hairpin motor or a small revision of it. It only needs to hit 2.99 0-60.
Since when can’t we have opinions here? I appreciate you telling me why I think something looks fast and mean, but believe it or not im perfectly capable of forming my own opinions. I think its looks fast and mean because to me it does! The m3p highland pictured above certainly doesn’t. Since it’s likely to be similar to the outgoing model, that’s fine. Nothing a few grand can’t fix anyway. Here is my long and not forgotten m3p. I loved how it looked. If you squint it kinda looks like that 911…
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Tha_Ape
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That's what the MY is for... if you want utility get a MY. If you just want bliss, get a M3P
So what's a realistic 0 to 60 MPH for this car with the existing battery pack and why slap a ludicrous badge on the back if there's not reasonable improvement in acceleration.
The m3p is already a crazy fast car. It will be sub 3 second 0-60. But just barely.
All the good stuff from the refresh plus a small bump in performance.
All the good stuff from the refresh plus a small bump in performance.
Over-reacting much?
I never said you couldn't have an opinion. I just disagreed with yours
My guess is 2.9s 0-60 (no rollout) and 10.9s 1/4 mile without preconditioning. That way the media can publish a 2 and 10 number legitimately. Mph wise I'd guess G80 M3 speed, maybe 123mph.
1/8th mile 6.9s @ 100mph, 60ft 1.69s.
