Wiki Model S Delivery Update

[ks1972]

Or do yourself a favor and upgrade the audio system. I don‘t care how great people say it sounds, factory speakers and amps are junk.

I don’t think quality of factory speakers has anything to do with album arts not showing

 

[Ramphex]

Can you watch/listen to YouTube music videos while driving or does the car have to be in Park for it?

 

[umair239]

Frankly, with ALL of these MS Plaid deliveries completed with so many more coming in the next few days/weeks, etc, I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) that tesla hasn't already released the big UI update to V11. I mean, where's the rotating main screen and what about all the greyed out features not working yet? Anyone have any thoughts on this?

At this point why are you even surprised lol. I mean look at their track record when it comes to delivering anything in time. It's always been shitty. So why even bother being surprised. It's very well expected now for them to simply make the opposite of sound decision in basically everything. Remember the Plaid event rumors of Plaid having 4680 cells or better range or the Yoke having tweak steering ratio lol yeah I remember. I wish there was something out there to compete with Tesla but that's not happening for a long time because I for one cannot wait to say **** you to tesla.

 

[Dan D.]

Torque vectoring makes a big difference in the handling of the vehicle; it computer-controls the amount of wheel torque on each side (L / R on each axle) so if the computer detects the slightest wheel slippage on one side, it automatically adjusts to grip the road better when cornering. It's what Porsche uses to help their cars handle so well around corners. And, yes, only the MS Plaid has this vs. the MS LR, so I suspect the LR will not handle as well as the Plaid. Another reason for the extra $40-$50k for the Plaid.

Could they do torque vectoring through braking on the LR if they wanted? Also, are they doing torque vectoring on the Plaid front this way?

 

[Drew-MS]

Frankly, with ALL of these MS Plaid deliveries completed with so many more coming in the next few days/weeks, etc, I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) that tesla hasn't already released the big UI update to V11. I mean, where's the rotating main screen and what about all the greyed out features not working yet? Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Probably not ready yet. Or it was ready but issues popped up.

Can you watch/listen to YouTube music videos while driving or does the car have to be in Park for it?

No only the rear screen can watch while the car is driving.

 

[sflgator]

At this point why are you even surprised lol. I mean look at their track record when it comes to delivering anything in time. It's always been shitty. So why even bother being surprised. It's very well expected now for them to simply make the opposite of sound decision in basically everything. Remember the Plaid event rumors of Plaid having 4680 cells or better range or the Yoke having tweak steering ratio lol yeah I remember. I wish there was something out there to compete with Tesla but that's not happening for a long time because I for one cannot wait to say **** you to tesla.

Agreed. Let's see what changes/upgrades, etc. Lucid does after their initial year of the Air? Let's see if they can really get > 500mi for max battery range as currently advertised? Currently, their first iteration of the base Air (600 HP/TQ), Air GT (800 HP/TQ), and Air Dream Ed (1,080 HP/TQ) won't have air suspension, but I can see Lucid adding air suspension as a std feature in future Air models. Plus, they're planning on their SUV, the Gravity, coming out in 2023 probably. I think we all need to watch Lucid, Porsche/Audi, MB, and the others over the next several years. But, for now, the Tesla MS Plaid seems to be "the bomb" all alone right now. The other auto mfgr's may catch up fairly quickly though...e.g. -- Audi has already announced their next version EV's should have > 300 mi max battery range...not quite 400 mi but still over 300 mi. would be nice to compete with Tesla.

 

[Ramphex]

At this point why are you even surprised lol. I mean look at their track record when it comes to delivering anything in time. It's always been shitty. So why even bother being surprised. It's very well expected now for them to simply make the opposite of sound decision in basically everything. Remember the Plaid event rumors of Plaid having 4680 cells or better range or the Yoke having tweak steering ratio lol yeah I remember. I wish there was something out there to compete with Tesla but that's not happening for a long time because I for one cannot wait to say **** you to tesla.

The day will come when there will be solid competition, and that'll be the day the people look back at the last couple of months and reflect on whether they want to experience this grade of quality service, or if they just want to roll the dice with the competition. At least the competition you don't know, it'll be 50/50 on whether their customer service sucks, where with Tesla.......

 

[sflgator]

A bit has been said about torque vectoring but I think it is worth discussing the concept a bit.

Differentials apportion acceleration and deceleration across the rear (and front if AWD) axles of a car. On acceleration, it balances power to deliver the most forward drive from the pair of rear tires. On deceleration, it adds tremendously to stability and rotation (or lack there of) on corner entry.

The ability to actively regulate torque to each rear wheel gives the designer the ability to dramatically improve power delivery on corner exit as someone has already mentioned. When you traverse an arc, the outside wheel travels in a larger diameter circle. The ability to apportion torque (and thus wheel speed) differently across the rear axle allows you to get the most acceleration. The ability to do that dynamically based on steered angle is especially useful.

The ability to very reverse torque (braking affect) on the rear axle has a similar affect in straight line stability to permit the maximum braking from the rear of the car without it wanting to swap ends.

In addition to all of this, many manufactures uses active single wheel braking for stability control. If you start to yaw the car beyond what the limits of traction allow (start to loose the rear), the stability control system will gently apply the inside wheel's brake which pulls the rear back in line. McLaren if famous for their rear brake based stability control.

Now here is the kicker that really makes Tesla stand out.......
Most ICE with traction control will leave black patches followed by clear patches when the rear breaks loose on acceleration in a straight line. I've had cars that leave 18" black marks followed by 12" clear marks repeating and others that are half that. It depends on the time constant of the drive line; that is, how fast the computer can make adjustments combined with how fast the driveline can react.

My first rear wheel drive P85 made a skittering noise on hard acceleration and would leave a fine bar code on the ground. Given torque is generated by exciting coils to generate a rotating magnetic field, time constant for the drive line is but a small percentage of ANY ICE on the planet. Put differently, the Tesla drive line can react to loss of traction many times faster than a conventional ICE. The result is much better acceleration.

Apply all of the above to the Plaid with two motors in the rear and NO differential at all and I get very excited. You now have a near infinite ability to manage traction in all conditions. You can make it turn better. You can make it rotate sharper off throttle on corner entry. You can catch the rear when the driver runs out of talent. And on and on. In addition, its all firmware. You need not have it in the car today. It can be developed and improved over time. My guess is the track pack will be all software with just a sprinkling of hardware mixed in. Exciting stuff indeed.

Could they do torque vectoring through braking on the LR if they wanted? Also, are they doing torque vectoring on the Plaid front this way?

Refer to @lolachampcar 's explanation above. ^^^^

 

[Drew-MS]

At this point why are you even surprised lol. I mean look at their track record when it comes to delivering anything in time. It's always been shitty. So why even bother being surprised. It's very well expected now for them to simply make the opposite of sound decision in basically everything. Remember the Plaid event rumors of Plaid having 4680 cells or better range or the Yoke having tweak steering ratio lol yeah I remember. I wish there was something out there to compete with Tesla but that's not happening for a long time because I for one cannot wait to say **** you to tesla.

You have some fair points. Yes we’ve dealt with some bs, but the plaid is F amazing. Exceeded my expectations.. we might be waiting many years for another EV to compete with plaid at the same price point.

 

[Ramphex]

You have some fair points. Yes we’ve dealt with some bs, but the plaid is F amazing. Exceeded my expectations.. we might be waiting many years for another EV to compete with plaid at the same price point.

I don't think the product can excuse the lack of customer service

 

[Drew-MS]

Agreed. Let's see what changes/upgrades, etc. Lucid does after their initial year of the Air? Let's see if they can really get > 500mi for max battery range as currently advertised? Currently, their first iteration of the base Air (600 HP/TQ), Air GT (800 HP/TQ), and Air Dream Ed (1,080 HP/TQ) won't have air suspension, but I can see Lucid adding air suspension as a std feature in future Air models. Plus, they're planning on their SUV, the Gravity, coming out in 2023 probably. I think we all need to watch Lucid, Porsche/Audi, MB, and the others over the next several years. But, for now, the Tesla MS Plaid seems to be "the bomb" all alone right now. The other auto mfgr's may catch up fairly quickly though.

Whenever Porsche, Audi, etc. have a car that competes with plaid, it’s pretty much guaranteed to cost waaaaay more than $130k. Probably 918 spyder price tag.

 

[umair239]

Agreed. Let's see what changes/upgrades, etc. Lucid does after their initial year of the Air? Let's see if they can really get > 500mi for max battery range as currently advertised? Currently, their first iteration of the base Air (600 HP/TQ), Air GT (800 HP/TQ), and Air Dream Ed (1,080 HP/TQ) won't have air suspension, but I can see Lucid adding air suspension as a std feature in future Air models. Plus, they're planning on their SUV, the Gravity, coming out in 2023 probably. I think we all need to watch Lucid, Porsche/Audi, MB, and the others over the next several years. But, for now, the Tesla MS Plaid seems to be "the bomb" all alone right now. The other auto mfgr's may catch up fairly quickly though.

I can see Tesla adding 4680 cells to Plaid, increasing price by may be 10k or selling it at the current price with range of 520+ as originally planned for Plaid+
Plaid is gonna be the bomb for may be a year or so

 

[Drew-MS]

I don't think the product can excuse the lack of customer service

True but the product is so good, we’ll just deal with it. I’m not saying it’s right but that’s what it is. We all agree customer service sux but we’re all still here desperate for EDD and VINS.

 

[sflgator]

Whenever Porsche, Audi, etc. have a car that competes with plaid, it’s pretty much guaranteed to cost waaaaay more than $130k. Probably 918 spyder price tag.

Possibly, but not sure about that. Audi's next A5/A6 type EV should have > 300 mi. max battery range and likely have decent HP/TQ and performance, but won't cost $150k+. But yeah, Porsche/Audi do have issues with extra features/added "packages" that jack up the price A LOT...and that's an issue for many ppl. I like the looks of the Audi E-Tron GT RS but cannot justify spending $150k for Tesla MS LR performance with much less max battery range. BUT, if they improved the battery range AND performance without jacking up the costs, then the comparison to Tesla is there.

 

[Drew-MS]

Possibly, but not sure about that. Audi's next A5/A6 type EV should have > 300 mi. max battery range and likely have decent HP/TQ and performance, but won't cost $150k+. But yeah, Porsche/Audi do have issues with extra features/added "packages" that jack up the price A LOT...and that's an issue for many ppl. I like the looks of the Audi E-Tron GT RS but cannot justify spending $150k for Tesla MS LR performance with much less max battery range. BUT, if they improved the battery range AND performance without jacking up the costs, then the comparison to Tesla is there.

My apology, I wasn’t referring to range. I meant strictly performance..

 

[Ramphex]

True but the product is so good, we’ll just deal with it. I’m not saying it’s right but that’s what it is. We all agree customer service sux but we’re all still here desperate for EDD and VINS.

Because there isn't any solid competition yet, but the day will come when there will be some.

 

[Dan D.]

Could they do torque vectoring through braking on the LR if they wanted? Also, are they doing torque vectoring on the Plaid front this way?

Refer to @lolachampcar 's explanation above. ^^^^ Wiki - Model S Delivery Update

Thanks, I didn't see any answer to my questions in there though. I see from the manual that the Model S has Integrated Advanced Stability Control. So Tesla S Plaid does torque vectoring Front to Rear and Rear L/R by motor power, Front L/R by braking. S LR could do torque vectoring Front to Rear by motor power, Rear L/R, Front L/R by braking. Is S LR doing Front to Rear torque vectoring by motor power, or do they use Stability Control by braking?

https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2017/05/what-is-torque-vectoring-.html

 

[Drew-MS]

Because there isn't any solid competition yet, but the day will come when there will be some.

Let’s hope planet earth is still around by the time another EV can be purchased at the same price point, with plaid performance, and a good charging network.
I’m definitely open to other options as long as it makes sense .

 

[Ramphex]

Let’s hope planet earth is still around by the time another EV can be purchased at the same price point, with plaid performance, and a good charging network.
I’m definitely open to other options as long as it makes sense .

You do have valid points, but with the big EV push from the government, the market will grow, and probably pretty rapidly. Supercharger network is nice but imagine the government gives let's say Sunoco, Shell, or Exxon a grant to help fund installing some sort of charging stations at all of their gas stations. Obviously I'm not saying it'll definitely happen but there could be a solid plot twist in the near future that'll force Tesla to have to compete with not only performance and price but also customer service.

 

[golfore]

Hmmmm.... I've been learning so much and getting so much entertainment value out of this board that I realized I can actually offer something, as small as they are.

I give away these custom-made 32G USB sticks to my clients, and had just restocked a buttload of them when COVID hit. Since then I've just been giving them away, because by the time I start doing any significant amount of live training, I'll want to up to at least 64G just to be in the least amount cool.

So the first ten people who PM me their mailing address, I'll send a free 4-pack of these things. They're eco-friendly, on a bamboo swivel and with a keychain attached. The keychain is serving less and less of a purpose in the universe, but it makes the darn things harder to lose.

Omar, you get a 4-pak automatically on general principles. Use 'em in your Teslas....

Nice gesture. Makes me think "smoke them if you got them".