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2 of 3 EV's - Defect Free!
Maybe that's what Joe meant by revolutionizing the entire ev industry.Only if it targets Tesla. Because every big, jacked up truck is out coal roll Teslas.
/s for clarity
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Maybe that's what Joe meant by revolutionizing the entire ev industry.Only if it targets Tesla. Because every big, jacked up truck is out coal roll Teslas.
/s for clarity
No EOY push, Just manana,Quite quiet around these parts, for a lazy Sunday! No VINs or impending deliveries? EoY push?
Funny, I think the opposite. Let’s agree (at least for this supposition) Tesla is 10 years tech ahead of everyone else. That tells me they’ll catch up in maybe 3 years. How long from iPhone or iPad to android and other competitors? (Or possibly reverse that order). Other manufacturers See what Tesla paid zillions for in R&D and can short. Jt their progress, or buy or license patents, etc.
imthink the Mach e has a lot of issues over dandy Monroe, but also did some really good stuff. Not sure they are 10 years behind.
my buddy’s polestar 2? I’d say only a few years behind, and possibly ahead in a few minor areas.
if not Tesla, i’d likely get a polestar 2
i think the other guys will catch up fast, maybe i. What they sell, if not how they build.
just my .02
LR ordered October 4th week.Quite quiet around these parts, for a lazy Sunday! No VINs or impending deliveries? EoY push?
Ok, Update on this slow Sunday - after refusing delivery yesterday, a new VIN magically and surprisingly got assigned in the late afternoon. Tesla called earlier today to schedule a new delivery appointment.Quite quiet around these parts, for a lazy Sunday! No VINs or impending deliveries? EoY push?
I hear ya. There is the more open source ev network.Contrarian view...
Let's say every auto mfg in the world could deliver a car equivalent to any Tesla current or future model.
Let's say they could start the first delivery today.
Let's say there are no shortages of batteries or other parts.
How long would it take them to scale up assy to meet demand? Where are the factories with robots, all ready to go?
How long would people wait for such a vehicle? One year? Two?
What will happen to Tesla lead times when GF Berlin and TX open next year? Do you think they might shorten a bit, to say less than a year?
And lastly, the SuC network. What good is a Tesla equivalent car with out a robust charging network?
I MAY be in a similar boat. At the same time, I could see dcu say, “wait, that last vin had more features, so a more valuable car” - probably won’t happen, but if I was the lender I’d scrutinize. Check for plaid..oh switched to lr?Ok, Update on this slow Sunday - after refusing delivery yesterday, a new VIN magically and surprisingly got assigned in the late afternoon. Tesla called earlier today to schedule a new delivery appointment.
The complication is that I now have a DCU cashiers check with old VIN and will be taking delivery of a different car. Tesla says they will take the check and don’t care about the different VIN. Will need to sort this out and update the thread for others future reference.
Fingers crossed for a good car and smooth delivery this time around!!
That’s very logical reasoning and is along the the line of what I thought for years with the legacy manufacturers. But what it does not account for and is an incredibly important factor is corporate culture. Both Tesla’s and the new EV companies and the legacy manufacturers. I think this will be a critical factor, more than meets the eye.I hear ya. There is the more open source ev network.
f or years I’ve wondered why gas stations didn’t install chargers with government subsidies, and a profit for each charge.
i also envision chargers built into street lights, etc. in urban areas that use tech to know who to bill.
regardless, Tesla was the first to stamp cars that I’m aware of. Let’s say it took them two years to decide it is feasible and desirable, then figure out how, buy the stuff, etc..
didn’t they just give the blueprint to ford, go and the others?
batteries, Tesla proved they can work, etc., I.e their r&d was first on a lot, and benefits others.
if I’m go or ford, would I start from scratch, or emulate, and maybe even try to improve on what they’ve done?
I think once it became known tungsten in a vacuum was good for a light bulb, the next guy came up with a bulb much quicker than Edison.
i may be wrong, but it makes sense to me some can imitate very quickly
Exactly. Reminded me of the Roadrunner versus rattlesnake analogy in this video. The rattlesnake has been killing birds for years. So when it sees a roadrunner, it thinks it's just another bird. It thinks it will easily destroy it. But this time it's different. This is a different bird.Since there’s so much chatter in here tonight, I thought it appropriate to elaborate on the difference between Tesla and everyone else. But luckily, I don’t have to, Autoweek has it covered.
Mind you this is the premier legacy manufacturer. One that should have no issue with building car mechanicals outside of the the EV components. Yet that isn’t the case.
But let’s give MB the benefit of the doubt and figure they won’t all have weird rattles and creaks. Let’s focus on software and charging instead. Or maybe we should skip that too….
It’s one review. MB will be around for a long time to come. But there is trouble on the horizon.
I suspect the situation is similar to the old anecdote of when the Aztecs saw the Spanish conquistadors on the horizon. Or rather, the conquistadors were on the horizon and the Aztecs could not see them. The ships were so far removed from their reality that they could not even see them, even as they stared at them at a distance.
GM, MB, Ford, etc are all staring at the horizon and do not see anything different than they always did. Sure, they need to adapt, and they’re working on it. But with the government behind them and their massive liability, I mean manufacturing base, they’re fine right?
2022 Mercedes EQS 450+ Is a Lesson in Our Brave New Electric Future
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Ha, yes this is correct. I like his story about not knowing there was a trailer on the truck. It’s actually pretty easy to distract people enough that they do not see major important things. Sandy is no fool and is trained to see things. Yet he missed it. It’s amazing and absolutely fascinating.Exactly. Reminded me of the Roadrunner versus rattlesnake analogy in this video. The rattlesnake has been killing birds for years. So when it sees a roadrunner, it thinks it's just another bird. It thinks it will easily destroy it. But this time it's different. This is a different bird.
This is why Tesla, Ford and maybe VW will unfortunately likely be the only legacy car makers left in ten year's time. Maybe GM too, and I hope so, but I dunno.
Wow, what a story... sounds like MB roadside service rivals Tesla.Since there’s so much chatter in here tonight, I thought it appropriate to elaborate on the difference between Tesla and everyone else. But luckily, I don’t have to, Autoweek has it covered.
Mind you this is the premier legacy manufacturer. One that should have no issue with building car mechanicals outside of the the EV components. Yet that isn’t the case.
But let’s give MB the benefit of the doubt and figure they won’t all have weird rattles and creaks. Let’s focus on software and charging instead. Or maybe we should skip that too….
It’s one review. MB will be around for a long time to come. But there is trouble on the horizon.
I suspect the situation is similar to the old anecdote of when the Aztecs saw the Spanish conquistadors on the horizon. Or rather, the conquistadors were on the horizon and the Aztecs could not see them. The ships were so far removed from their reality that they could not even see them, even as they stared at them at a distance.
GM, MB, Ford, etc are all staring at the horizon and do not see anything different than they always did. Sure, they need to adapt, and they’re working on it. But with the government behind them and their massive liability, I mean manufacturing base, they’re fine right?
2022 Mercedes EQS 450+ Is a Lesson in Our Brave New Electric Future
The future will be better, but right now we’re still sorting a few things out.www.autoweek.com
Exactly. This is going to be an interesting time for the industry. Some names I used to think would be here forever will likely go, replaced by ones I've never heard of. It'll be better for everyone though in the end I think... This is a true test for legacy, and I'm curious who will come out.Ha, yes this is correct. I like his story about not knowing there was a trailer on the truck. It’s actually pretty easy to distract people enough that they do not see major important things. Sandy is no fool and is trained to see things. Yet he missed it. It’s amazing and absolutely fascinating.
If this type of thing is interesting to anyone here, I recommend the book Thinking, Fast and Slow.
Since there’s so much chatter in here tonight, I thought it appropriate to elaborate on the difference between Tesla and everyone else. But luckily, I don’t have to, Autoweek has it covered.
Mind you this is the premier legacy manufacturer. One that should have no issue with building car mechanicals outside of the the EV components. Yet that isn’t the case.
But let’s give MB the benefit of the doubt and figure they won’t all have weird rattles and creaks. Let’s focus on software and charging instead. Or maybe we should skip that too….
It’s one review. MB will be around for a long time to come. But there is trouble on the horizon.
I suspect the situation is similar to the old anecdote of when the Aztecs saw the Spanish conquistadors on the horizon. Or rather, the conquistadors were on the horizon and the Aztecs could not see them. The ships were so far removed from their reality that they could not even see them, even as they stared at them at a distance.
GM, MB, Ford, etc are all staring at the horizon and do not see anything different than they always did. Sure, they need to adapt, and they’re working on it. But with the government behind them and their massive liability, I mean manufacturing base, they’re fine right?
2022 Mercedes EQS 450+ Is a Lesson in Our Brave New Electric Future
The future will be better, but right now we’re still sorting a few things out.www.autoweek.com
do naps count to accelerating delivery?3 more sleeps till I take delivery!