Model X 2015 deliveries

[jmwang]

Congratulations on becoming an early X owner.
A question about your post. I am not sure if you intended to say "Tree branches are obviously not detectable by the ultrasonic sensors in the doors" (an assumption that I believe may be unfounded) or "Tree branches may not be detected by the door sensors" (which seems reasonable).
If it is the latter, it seems that the human opening the Falcon Wing door, whether inside or outside the car, should simply take note of any possible obstructions, branches or something else, and exercise caution. From inside the car the person can stop the doors from opening farther by using the toggle switch on the B pillar. From outside the car I suppose one could reach up and give a slight tug on the door and it would stop. You could try doing that and report back.
With the current sensor technology one cannot assume that the doors will detect possible obstructions with minimal mass, like a single thin branch or something like a thin wire.

"sonar" was the word used at delivery. Not quite sure its accurate, but their nomenclature.
ecarfan, I think you are pretty much spot on. the reality is I was in no mood to test how much mass is necessary to stop the FWD. *Maybe* the sensors would have stopped the doors an inch after I did. who knows, who wants to find out?
Certainly a human watching can override either set of doors from bumping into an obstacle. That makes them somewhat less automatic however.


So I only post because I recall the excitement of getting my first Model S and reading every post that came up for months when there were more haters than lovers (outside of the site obviously).


I shouldn't have to post this, but with no snark, just for you Luca-

 

[efusco]

Question of FWD and front door opening posts moved here: Moving some posts from another thread here to continue the discussion. Frankly, just shocked we don't have someone sharing a video to settle this easily resolved question already.

 

[nienco2]

snark?

"sonar" was the word used at delivery. Not quite sure its accurate, but their nomenclature.
ecarfan, I think you are pretty much spot on. the reality is I was in no mood to test how much mass is necessary to stop the FWD. *Maybe* the sensors would have stopped the doors an inch after I did. who knows, who wants to find out?
Certainly a human watching can override either set of doors from bumping into an obstacle. That makes them somewhat less automatic however.


So I only post because I recall the excitement of getting my first Model S and reading every post that came up for months when there were more haters than lovers (outside of the site obviously).


I shouldn't have to post this, but with no snark, just for you Luca-
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I think some snark would have been perfectly appropriate :smile:

 

[dirkhh]

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Wow - that key looks huge in comparison... are the tails of the two keys aligned or is the Model X key slightly closer to the lens? The way it looks in this picture this might be uncomfortable to have in my jeans pocket.

Now here's a true first world problem. "they key to my amazing $100+k car is to big for my jeans pocket..."

 

[BornToFly]

Is that a Model X key in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?....

 

[Gwgan]

If it's in your pocket with your phone, not only will your car not recognize your approach, your phone will lose.

 

[MikeL]

I should get some points for bringing it up several days back and being ridiculed for the concept

No good deed goes unpunished I still don't (yet) believe it.

 

[Super_Popular]

I was just at the Portland show room. Two pieces of information. One unsurprising (they have not the slightest idea when they will get a Model X for test drives). But the other was quite unexpected. According to the store manager, the first Model X Signature delivery in Portland happened this weekend!

Have there been any other deliveries except Sig #1/2 ?

Who's the store manager now?

 

[jmwang]

Wow - that key looks huge in comparison... are the tails of the two keys aligned or is the Model X key slightly closer to the lens? The way it looks in this picture this might be uncomfortable to have in my jeans pocket.

Now here's a true first world problem. "they key to my amazing $100+k car is to big for my jeans pocket..."

Its not *so* much bigger. The angle is a little unfair, probably subconsciously shifted to illustrate the fact that indeed I posses two different FOBs. It took considerable restraint to keep a gesture for luca out of the picture, so I didn't really intend for it to be scrutinized!

This is definitely part of the struggle of posting pictures here- to do justice you really need to be thoughtful.

 

[MaxK]

Its not *so* much bigger. The angle is a little unfair, probably subconsciously shifted to illustrate the fact that indeed I posses two different FOBs. It took considerable restraint to keep a gesture for luca out of the picture, so I didn't really intend for it to be scrutinized!

This is definitely part of the struggle of posting pictures here- to do justice you really need to be thoughtful.

X & S key side by side.

 

[dirkhh]

X & S key side by side.
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Interesting, they look almost the same from this perspective...

 

[dirkhh]

Its not *so* much bigger. The angle is a little unfair, probably subconsciously shifted to illustrate the fact that indeed I posses two different FOBs. It took considerable restraint to keep a gesture for luca out of the picture, so I didn't really intend for it to be scrutinized!

This is definitely part of the struggle of posting pictures here- to do justice you really need to be thoughtful.

I appreciate the picture and the restraint on other gestures. People get suspicious with a certain combination of circumstantial indications...
Congrats on your new car and let's hope they'll deal with the issues you experience very swiftly

 

[Mark Z]

...And soon, there will be a model X delivery near you...

This just in: On 12/30 "Car 15, Where Are You?" has been located at the SC awaiting delivery. The DS police spotted the completed Model X late on 12/30 and have requested that the new owner arrive early in the morning on 12/31 to take possession. Details to follow: Sigs Only Please | Forums | Tesla Motors

 

[brantse]

Everyone's experience will be different, but I had Model S, Sig 603 and I can say the early adopter penalty feels much greater this time around.

This is really unfortunate to hear, especially considering the amount of time that Tesla has spent on the X. Also, as Elon has stated that they rushed to get the S out the door and vowed not to do that again.

 

[DJ Frustration]

Back on topic. My good friend is taking delivery of his Sig VIN 6XX in NY today!

 

[bonnie]

Not going to totally disagree with you. The X is a great ride in many ways, I certainly prefer it (though my comp is an early model S) and is way more functional for many of those who can garage it. There's some kinks to be worked out (your car is already back with tesla and I sense mine will be soon). The fact that there's no way you could let a valet take it is a serious problem if you think about the demographics. I also am fairly unsure about what this sonar in the falcon wings will detect (tree branches are not obviously detectable, yet something you need to avoid). I can forgive alot of these things for now but they do create anxiety which takes alot away from the experience. I am quite sure most people need things to be simpler and more fault tolerant. (what happens if the passenger hits "door close" on the FWD when its already closed. In an elevator its fine, with the X it appears to be nothing good, though I don't want to repeat that experience).
I don't know if it was mentioned to you at delivery but "don't open both doors on the same side since the doors could collide as they are opening" is something that shouldn't have made it into production since each door is powered and software controllable.

Sorry no pics for anyone, just the wrong time for me to be trying to juggle taking a new car. (I understand that doesn't get much sympathy on TMC)
I still think its a hard recommend as-is unless its to a person willing to be pretty patient. Maybe another couple of delivery and the first firmware upgrade alleviates 85% of the problems. The good news is that the the negative surprises seem to have calmed down and we're mostly figuring out how not to break/scratch these doors.

I really am confused by your repeated worries over the doors.

So first off - your delivery specialist was wrong regarding the doors colliding if opened at the same time. If you pm me, I'm happy to supply you with my home number and talk to you offline. I believe your ds said this, but please take me up on my offer so you will quit repeating this. It's wrong. And once we talk, you will understand that it is wrong.

Regarding your other worries? I've had zero of the worries you're listing. I've stood next to the doors, waved hands, jumped in front, etc & everytime, the doors behaved in a safe way. Zero potential of scratches or harm.

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This just in: On 12/30 "Car 15, Where Are You?" has been located at the SC awaiting delivery. The DS police spotted the completed Model X late on 12/30 and have requested that the new owner arrive early in the morning on 12/31 to take possession. Details to follow: Sigs Only Please | Forums | Tesla Motors

Congrats!!!

 

[SMSMD]

Thanks Bonnie for your reassurance. This really got me worried as I was imagining my kids opening/ closing the doors at the same time. If they collide during opening they should collide during closing at that specific angle/arch of intersection. I was having a lengthy discussion with my wife of this potential danger of kids getting hurt and we were really upset. As it happens with children they are always in a last minute rush to get in and get out of the vehicles, going to school or to their games and really don't care about the doors which in reality should be the least of the worries in such a wonderful car. Never believed it, but the fear was there I feel better know.

 

[jmwang]

Bonnie-
You could easily be right. If you tell me "since sunday, I've spoken to authoritative people at TSLA and they said don't worry about it" then I am willing to believe you got the right answer. I never really claimed one way or the other whether this could happen. Indeed I hope you are right, and it makes alot of sense that this would have been caught in design. I have no problem being wrong, and am done repeating the claim ( its not so much that I am repeating the claim as someone asked about the circumstances) Anyway, thanks Bonnie for relaying your experience and I love the fact that you are trying to be a bit of information moderator here.
I do appreciate your offer but its not necessary. If you say you had recent reassurance from Tesla, then I am reassured.

So Bonnie- I'll give you a few fairly specific examples where I was concerned.
1) We were in a parking garage with somewhat low clearances. Lots of pipes running overhead, clearly below the clearance of the FWD doors. We opened the FWD doors and stopped them about 3 inches from the pipes. Would the sensors have stopped them in the next 3 inches? I don't know, maybe. how sure are you, and who's responsible if it does? I also had a similar situation where I parked in a spot where the door would open into a thin tree.
2) If I just stand 24 inches away from one of the front door and hit open, its absolutely going to hit me. Thats fine, I'm soft. Will it stop for a car thats 24 inches away? the tech guy says it will stop when it hits something. I don't love that. I'd rather push open a door thats opened 2 inches than try to catch it before it hits something. Certainly I don't trust a valet to do that.
3) (And I am willing to accept this is my unique experience): Once I hit open on the drivers door, and it popped open about four millimeters. I could not gently reclose it, and I couldn't power open. There's no handle so I pried the door open with my finger tips.
4) (also likely unique to my car) At delivery no one could leave the drivers door open. it would just shut at random times. The tech came and recalibrated the door (during which time it must have shut 25 times on him, poor guy). It seems more stable now.
5) (perhaps only my experience as well) Sitting in row 2, I was trying to open the FWD. I held down (or up) the button (honestly I can't remember if I was pushing or pulling maybe I'm an idiot). In any case, the door popped open, reclosed, made a whirring sound then made a loud snapping/cracking sound. My wife and I are a both a long way from our engineering days, but we both said "that can't be good". It turns out if you RTFM and "open" until it opens a little, then press open all the way it seems to work fine.
ok fine I know now, but what about random person sitting in that seat trying to get out. I have to confess I've been sloppy about recounting this experience)
6) (probably unique for me?) I press the exterior FWD open button, sometimes the door opens fully, sometimes it just pops open an inch. I don't even know HOW to precede from here without the FOB/touchscreen.

So my concerns/paranoia are a mix of
a) bad communication from TSLA on overlapping door. Not confidence inspiring.
b) a few circumstances which I think are somewhat fair because most people would have similar concerns (1 and 2)
c) some unique stuff which may have been caused by me (5), some not so much (3, 4 and 6)

Thanks again for your willingness to correspond. I struggle to think of any brand with customers as dedicated as Tesla.
Quite honestly, all these posts aren't so much me trying to complain as clarify direct questions. If I get a couple (lets say 3) PMs saying saying "go back to lurking" I am happy to do so.

I really am confused by your repeated worries over the doors.

So first off - your delivery specialist was wrong regarding the doors colliding if opened at the same time. If you pm me, I'm happy to supply you with my home number and talk to you offline. I believe your ds said this, but please take me up on my offer so you will quit repeating this. It's wrong. And once we talk, you will understand that it is wrong.

Regarding your other worries? I've had zero of the worries you're listing. I've stood next to the doors, waved hands, jumped in front, etc & everytime, the doors behaved in a safe way. Zero potential of scratches or harm.

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Congrats!!!

 

[bonnie]

Bonnie-
You could easily be right. If you tell me "since sunday, I've spoken to authoritative people at TSLA and they said don't worry about it" then I am willing to believe you got the right answer. I never really claimed one way or the other whether this could happen. Indeed I hope you are right, and it makes alot of sense that this would have been caught in design. I have no problem being wrong, and am done repeating the claim ( its not so much that I am repeating the claim as someone asked about the circumstances) Anyway, thanks Bonnie for relaying your experience and I love the fact that you are trying to be a bit of information moderator here.
I do appreciate your offer but its not necessary. If you say you had recent reassurance from Tesla, then I am reassured.

So Bonnie- I'll give you a few fairly specific examples where I was concerned.
1) We were in a parking garage with somewhat low clearances. Lots of pipes running overhead, clearly below the clearance of the FWD doors. We opened the FWD doors and stopped them about 3 inches from the pipes. Would the sensors have stopped them in the next 3 inches? I don't know, maybe. how sure are you, and who's responsible if it does? I also had a similar situation where I parked in a spot where the door would open into a thin tree.
2) If I just stand 24 inches away from one of the front door and hit open, its absolutely going to hit me. Thats fine, I'm soft. Will it stop for a car thats 24 inches away? the tech guy says it will stop when it hits something. I don't love that. I'd rather push open a door thats opened 2 inches than try to catch it before it hits something. Certainly I don't trust a valet to do that.
3) (And I am willing to accept this is my unique experience): Once I hit open on the drivers door, and it popped open about four millimeters. I could not gently reclose it, and I couldn't power open. There's no handle so I pried the door open with my finger tips.
4) (also likely unique to my car) At delivery no one could leave the drivers door open. it would just shut at random times. The tech came and recalibrated the door (during which time it must have shut 25 times on him, poor guy). It seems more stable now.
5) (perhaps only my experience as well) Sitting in row 2, I was trying to open the FWD. I held down (or up) the button (honestly I can't remember if I was pushing or pulling maybe I'm an idiot). In any case, the door popped open, reclosed, made a whirring sound then made a loud snapping/cracking sound. My wife and I are a both a long way from our engineering days, but we both said "that can't be good". It turns out if you RTFM and "open" until it opens a little, then press open all the way it seems to work fine.
ok fine I know now, but what about random person sitting in that seat trying to get out. I have to confess I've been sloppy about recounting this experience)
6) (probably unique for me?) I press the exterior FWD open button, sometimes the door opens fully, sometimes it just pops open an inch. I don't even know HOW to precede from here without the FOB/touchscreen.

So my concerns/paranoia are a mix of
a) bad communication from TSLA on overlapping door. Not confidence inspiring.
b) a few circumstances which I think are somewhat fair because most people would have similar concerns (1 and 2)
c) some unique stuff which may have been caused by me (5), some not so much (3, 4 and 6)

Thanks again for your willingness to correspond. I struggle to think of any brand with customers as dedicated as Tesla.
Quite honestly, all these posts aren't so much me trying to complain as clarify direct questions. If I get a couple (lets say 3) PMs saying saying "go back to lurking" I am happy to do so.

I have spoken to authoritative people at Tesla.

I have also, as various forum members who have been present when I've done so, have stood next to the door and pressed open. The door stopped before hitting me. I have pressed open and then moved my hand over over the direction of travel. The door stopped before hitting my hand. I have stood just outside the acceptable area and the door has worked it's way around me. Never once has the door touched me. I have put my hand in the door jamb and pressed close and the door did not close on my hand.

So forget what people have told me. I've tried it. So I don't understand your comments about what *might* happen.

Now if my doors were behaving as you have experienced (having to pry open, etc.), I'd have my vehicle over at the service center pronto. What have the service guys said?

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(And where the heck did you take delivery that they jammed 20 employees into the room??)

 

[dirkhh]

So my concerns/paranoia are a mix of...

I was trying to figure out how to complete that sentence for you... It does sound like you worry about a lot of things without any basis for your worries that I can discern. And the way you phrase things in your posts certainly is causing me to wonder what your intentions are - at least to my (potentially biased) eyes it sounds like you are more interested in "stirring the pot" then in gaining information, but then that may just be a matter of personal style.

Few people here will agree more with you than I will when it comes to Tesla's issues around communication. No doubt. And it seems entirely plausible that your car has some issues (the parts of your posts that clearly sound like the doors malfunctioning on your car). But I think we have very clear reports from several other owners that seem to indicate that your concerns do not match their experience.