Not sure how they're correlated, but Elon has made it clear that Tesla's mission is to increase production & demand of new vehicles. I don't see how the recent price adjustments (of S/X) are helping with that, but it would be interesting to see sales data overlaid on the price history graphs.
I’m waiting for $15-20k. Even then, I’m skeptical with all the quality issues I keep seeing.
I currently own MY and previously owned refresh X but traded in because the payment was too high and I got a good price for trade in. IMO, the X would be well worth the premium over Y if the price ever drops to ~$80k, but not so much currently.
The all time low was ~$80k (pre refresh). The refresh was supposed to be cheaper to build which makes sense with some shared parts with 3/Y etc. but then inflation happened so who knows?! $85k would be a good price but still slightly too much for tax credit, so it wouldn’t make much sense from demand-lever perspective. Since fsd cost doesn’t count toward tax credit limit, they could theoretically capture more of that margin with higher overall demand. That’s assuming fsd actually works well at some point in the future.
I think the refresh model might be better quality overall but that’s just a guess based on driving the refresh vs older loaners. It sure feels that way from the drivers seat.
I finally got some seat time in a Refresh Long Range the other day and I have to say overall it doesn't feel a ton different in built quality to me, from an overall fit/finish/squeaks and rattles perspective, the brand new car had just as many little noises and rattles as mine with almost 36,000 miles on it. It's certainly an improvement but I'd call it incremental in terms of quality. And the part numbers that failed this year on my car are the same part numbers on the new car (steering rack and axles...)
What I would like to see is a Model X with conventional doors and conventional instruments and stalks. I'd like the space and seating position of a Model X, the air suspension, but without the complexity, cost and reliability penalty of the Falcon wing doors or the power front doors. And maybe without that huge windshield -- that must add to costs and requires those ridiculous visors. (I had a Model X as a loaner for 2 or 3 days one time, and had to wear a baseball cap the entire time because of the overhead glare from the windshield.) To me, the Model Y is not quite large enough, the ride is not comfortable, and the front seats are not comfortable. But I doubt my wishes will be fulfilled by Tesla. Which is why I am looking at cars like the eTron, Genesis, and so on. I would rather stick with Tesla, especially because of the software, and have looked at prices for used Model X cars, but they are still a bit high compared to new cars that are comparable in size (but better in quality and comfort).
so windshield is not much of an issue, but I'd prefer a roof rack instead of the gull wing doors.In theory, a 6-8" wheelbase stretch on the Model Y would get this done. Ride? Check - long wheelbase is a great way to improve perceived ride. Range? Check, the extra wheelbase would leave room for ~10kwh more capacity. More space? Check. Doors and windscreen that aren't silly design school funhouse stuff? That's a big check
Count me in! Could also be wide enough to seat 3 child seats side by side on 2nd row.
